August 4, 2008...11:15 am

Fight Back or Fail, by Aging Hipster

“No one’s paying attention right now. The race is fundamentally sound. Obama has more field offices. This time the people won’t be fooled!”

Last week the frequency of denials that something was amiss in the Obama campaign became more common on Obama sympathetic web sites and blogs. Those of us who didn’t believe in this Pollyanna nonsense were often reassured, occasionally insulted and once or twice given profanity laced tongue lashings. Deep in our hearts though, those of us who are dismayed by Obama’s punching bag strategy fear he has days, actually less than 100 hours, to fight back against John McCain or this campaign will take a turn from which it can not reverse itself.

In 1988, as any observer of presidential politics can tell you, the George Bush, Sr. team ran a number on Mike Dukakis, the Democratic nominee. Jules Witcover and Jack Germond’s rich study “Whose Broad Stripes and Bright Stars” tells the story of how the Bush people instilled fear in the hearts of voters against Dukakis. Some of it was based on fact, statements that Dukakis made about the ACLU, his stewardship of the Massachusetts Prison System or the conditions of Boston Harbor are examples. The relevance or context of these issues is too broad a topic to discuss here. Other parts were completely false. For example, the GOP, through the use of Republican Senator-Surrogates spread direct lies that his wife had burned an American flag and “there were pictures.” There were claims that Dukakis was mentally ill, that he practiced witchcraft. Imagine the marvelous slander the Right produced in the ‘88 campaign: no Internet yet!

Supposedly, Dukakis was culpable for his lack of response, but that isn’t quite true. Dukakis, at first, didn’t believe people would fall for that type of cynicism. Later, when a response was developed, it proved too lengthy. Finally, by the time he was able to fight back, all he did was respond, and the Bush team simply continued an attack against him that changed daily.

As Witcover and Germond note in the book, the Bush team had great masters of manipulation working behind the scenes, but it wasn’t the advertising that did in Dukakis. It was the fact that the Right was able to control the television news. “Visuals” became an important part of what was done. Reporters no longer had to work quite as hard for a story, since the campaign team did this for them.

Four years later, facing an incumbent Bush, Bill Clinton came along and dealt with many of the same tactics: the slander, the attacks on his wife and child, the lies and the half truths. This time, the attacks failed. Why?

There are really a number of reasons, and they don’t fit neatly into a single answer. First, the American people had seen what type of leader they had in the first Bush. Los Angeles in flames and a stalled economy come to mind. Second, the strongest third party run in US History (Ross Perot) helped the Clinton bid. Third, there was serious GOP fatigue after 12 years. What we are interested in, however, is the Clinton model for dealing with the GOP fear card.

Clinton’s rapid response team learned to stay in front of news cycles by responding to attacks as fast as they happened. Simply put, they learned to control the news cycle, something which, up until last week, the Obama team was also doing. Mainly, the Clinton team could land punches and fight back…hard.

The GOP Playbook has been used now for 20 years. In August of 2004, the same tactics were employed on John Kerry, and Kerry failed to respond for 10 long days. By now, the communications world is at lightning speed. Clinton’s rapid response team was brilliant, but its mobility now would be the same as a horse drawn cavalry charge facing Nazi tanks in Poland.

In 2008 situations move too fast to sit there when your opponent says you wouldn’t mind your country losing a war. That only invites more slander.

The news media must be controlled. They aren’t fair and they aren’t going to cut anyone any slack.

Finally, voters like fighters. They don’t like dirty fighters, and they can spot one from any distance. In 1988, the elder Bush seemed effete, as though his didn’t want to get his hands dirty. He let his underlings do his fighting. McCain seems to relish the role. He is treading on dangerous ground, to a point. Americans are fundamentally a decent people. Most people are repulsed by such behavior. Unfortunately, that’s not the end of the story. What people like less is someone who won’t fight back.

Politics is an emotional affair. The masses want a fair fighter, but given the choice between a one who won’t fight and one who will, they will take the street brawler 100% of the time.

Fight back or fail.

161 Comments

  • My feeling is that Obama is going to have his VP do the dirty job of fighting back, I also think this is why will probably find out this week who the VP is going to be. One of the talking heads on one of the shows yesterday states that he had word from within the Obama camp they the plan on coming down very heavy on McCain this week. Lets hope so!

  • Bringing Sheila’s last post from last thread forward, as it’s an excellent way for us to fight back too. Good suggestions all, Sheila.:

    Hip,
    What I did for Kerry and about to do for Obama is righting an intelligent letter a week. Then send it to every major paper in the country. There are email addresses for Opinion Pages.

    I also wrote opeds. I wrote to Countdown and Hardball, Lou Dobbs…..you get the drift.

    If I noticed that something wasn’t being discussed, I wrote about it, short and sweet to the producers of each program. The producers are the ones who need ideas to pose to the “Face” on the screen.

    Each week are wrote and then did mass emailings..

    Oh! and I took senators and congressmen to task if the surrogates weren’t getting out there and making good argument.

    I also wrote the young reporters on the trail and congratulated or thanked them for great reporting on something they did or caught.

    I took the OPEDS and the Letters and forwarded them to friends who forwarded to friends and so on and on.

    Thats what I’ll be doing this year.

  • Where is Biden, where are all the rest of the surrogates? Been wondering that all week…

  • Os is it just me. Have a missed some great surrogate attack backs?

  • Off topic. But a great read. And plz view the slideshow.

    WaPost on The Clam Detective. A (relatively) low tech method to assess pollutant levels and source in local streams.

    Love that Dr. Phelps is doing this. (And that her research assistant — formerly a Rite Aid employee — can now point to having his efforts written up in a nationally prominent newspaper.)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/03/AR2008080301756.html?hpid=artslot

    Hey, it’s not totally off thread. Start where you are. Do what you can.

    Get involved in your local community — or river tributary — but fight back against pollution or whatever troubles you.

  • Great post Steve. I have not been watching politics much, but am concerned that McCain is taking his negative ads and running with them.

    Agree there has got to be a punchback soon, and that Americans are indeed looking for a fighter, not a dirty one.

    Most aggravating theme to me: Obama the elitist and president-already. It’s hard to believe that a campaign that ran as tight a primary effort as they did would believe any Kool-Aid now.

  • Very interesting Dog. A regular CSI of pollution

  • Steve (Aging Hipster)

    Dog, yeah Obama was a welfare kid and McCain an admiral’s son who now owns 7 houses and is married to a beer baron, but Obama is the elitist.

    Same old game is being run.

    You gotta fight back, guys. You gotta fight back.

  • WaPost’s Ann Telnaes animated cartoon.

    Happy Birthday to Barack Obama. (Very brief and worth a click.)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/telnaes/telnaes_main.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

  • Steve (Aging Hipster)

    Yeah, I saw that they were going to do that this morning. Obama mentioned it as one of several ways to beat fuel costs, and of course he is right.

  • Steve (Aging Hipster)

    gotta run for now gang, back in later

  • Steve, Great piece. I get so sick of everyone talking about the media only covers Obama in a positive way, when I see and hear so much that is negative.

    Just this morning received an email (they’re almost daily) with the subject “What a Disgrace” that came from a Bill Dupray of The Patriot Room complaining about Obama removing the American Flag from his plane, when in fact it is still there. They just choose not to show that fact. They sent a link to snopes.com to prove their case and the photo of his plane with the American flag is actually on there, just not on the tail. Wasn’t it removed from the tail because someone complained that it made him look too presumptuous and saying he wanted to look like he is already the president?

    My brother-in-law and I were talking last night and hoping the 527’s start inserting those McInsane videos that I posted a few days ago where he uses that four-letter word repeatedly. If those clips could be in commercials in the Bible-Belt regions of WV, SE Ohio, and KY they should be scrutinized a good bit by those people. That would really flip some of those people out because their beliefs are so over the top. They aren’t shown any of that kind of stuff. It was actually a Baptist preacher who asked him at a town hall meeting last week if he had called his wife a cunt. McInsane just looked at the guy, the crowd went crazy, and he ignored the question.

  • Now that would be something I’d like to see. Some reality in the McInsane townhalls

  • Sheila, I’ve posted twice on the anthrax suicide and how it doesn’t pass the smell test. What intriques me as much as the actual deed killing seven and sickening even more is the role John McCain played in the lead up to the Iraq war when he told David Letterman the anthrax came from Iraq without a single shred of evidence.

    My question and the heart of a theory is: Was McCain privvy to some information in October 2001, one month after 9/11, indicating that the administration was going to attack Iraq after setting up a government employee to send anthrax to Democrats to get them on board for war?

    My posts are at: http://www.eprof22.blogspot.com.

  • Not related to the blog, but one of my favorite actors, Morgan Freeman, has been seriously injured in a car accident flipping over several times.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26010759/

  • Eprof,

    My bust. I’ll read it today!

  • Obama just got some nice slams in against McCain on the money he’s taken from the oil industry!

  • Testing, testing.

    I’ve posted a couple of times and it does not seem to go through.

  • We see you Karolenna. Try it again.

  • I don’t think the blog likes my msnbc link. It was showing where Morgan Freeman has just been in a serious auto accident and had to be extracted from his vehicle. I really like him.

  • I just released it K. if one post gets block, please folks email me, reposting it is not going to work.

  • Hipster, you have presented Obama dilemma very well. Maybe he should adopt the old war cry: Don’t shoot until you see the whites of their eyes. That way the crap goes flying by and he will only respond (fight) the big charges showing he knows when to pick and choose a fight on his terms. The dilemma for Obama is not to fight all the time — folks will get tired of that, too.

    Thanks for stopping by my blog this morning. I’ve now added a second colleagues statements to it essentially saying the smear campaign against Dr. Ivins is false. These are colleagues I would like to be associated with inasmuch as they’re covering Ivin’s back even though the man is dead. This is a big story and needs to be kept alive and the truth revealed and soon.

  • Hey eprof let me know if you want me to ad you to the blog role. That entire post 9/11 period was so strange, I remember being nervous about opening emails from people I didn’t know. Ad to the anthrax scare there was the DC sniper, it really was a very spooky time, one I hope we never see again!

  • Brian, I wouldn’t mind being added to the blog roll. Thanks.

    Living in NYC would have been particularly scary. I was out west in a medium sized town so we didn’t feel the scary part. Most folks around were into supporting the president and flying the flag. No rational discussions allowed — just fall into place. That was scary that no public discussion was tolerated and if you weren’t flying the flag you were suspect of not being patriotic and loving your country. Some even were worried about losing their jobs and, of course, college professors were at the top of the list, including yours truly.

  • Yes NYC was very surreal in those days. I live in LaGuardia’s flight path and every time I heard a plane overhead you would just wait a moment, braced ,expecting to hear an explosion. It took a while for that feeling to go away. I’ll add your blog at some point today.

  • You guys talking about how scary it was after 9/11 made me think about being in the huge horseshoe at Ohio State during a sunny, bright day watch a football game with close to 110,000 people. There was, and I believe still is, a no-fly zone over the stadium and there was to be a circumference around stadiums of so many miles. A friend and I were sitting near the top of B deck just under C deck when out of the northwest sky came this very large aircraft flying right towards the stadium. You could hear the gasps of almost everyone on the east side of the stadium who could see it and it just sucked the breath out of you. It got very close but someone must have gotten in touch with the pilot because they averted the flight drastically turning toward the northeast and what a sigh of relief. You could never get out of a stadium that size very fast.

  • Happy Birthday Barack. Many happy more.

    ¡yo soy Horsedooty!

  • Hip,
    I remember two attacks on Dukakis: the ridiculous riding around in a tank and Willie Horton. I also remember Lee Atwater on his deathbed saying that he wish he hadn’t been such a bad ass.

    I think Obama needs to get his surrogates out for the small attacks. And they need to bring attention to the lies McCain is saying about his positions. Obama should only respond to attacks, and then promptly go back to talking about issues.

  • I think its funny that the House Republicans are pulling a stunt in DC demanding that Pelosi let them vote on offshore drilling, while at the same time offshore rig workers are being evacuated due to the approach of Eduardo.

  • Ok eProf, your blog is on the blogroll.

  • Thanks. I look forward to being in touch with some of the folks I’ve known for at least three years from CList. I wish you luck in running this blog but I hope it doesn’t get as big as the original nor as fiesty. Ciao!

  • Definitely not as feisty!

  • Interesting site detailing some of McCain’s temper tantrums. Has anyone seen the video before at the bottom that page?

    http://hyerstandard.com/john-mccains-top-10-temper-tantrums-of-all-time/

    The guy had said: “Anyways, here’s a “super secret” video clip chronicling one of Senator McCain’s“blow ups.” I had heard McCain was a fan, but wow – can’t say I expected this…”, but the clip now says “we’re sorry. the video is no longer available”.

  • That House Republican stunt to vote on off-shore drilling is so they can come back to accuse the D’s of not wanting to do anything. That’s all it is – a stunt for publicity.

  • Hey they can’t even get the head of their own party go along with them!

  • Maybe I have not delved into this issue of McCain’s POW status nor even questioned it, but there sure are a lot of ex-POWs and Vietnam Vets against McCain saying something else. I just always listened to what everyone said that “McCain is a POW hero and never questioned it” because if you do you are blasted in every way. This video addresses why McCain stayed behind when in fact he was supposed to have been given the chance to come home. Another video says the Viet Cong called him “Songbird” because he gave out so much information to them. The people in this video sure do seem earnest in what they say. According to some vets and POWs, and I have been watching many videos saying the same thing, Jane Fonda was correct in her allegations about bombing innocent people and the attack orders came from John McCain. I was too busy raising my kids to pay attention to the hearings they had (I guess it was) back in the early 90’s about releasing records of the vets and particularly John McCain’s records. Did any of you know about this?

  • dog's eye view

    This should be a big story. Talking Points Memo: numerous Hess executives and employees gave McCain $28,500 contributions (max allowable to RNC-McCain fund) after he switched his vote to allow offshore drilling. Two of the $28,500 checks came from Hess staffer and spouse living in a rented home in Flushing, without princely salaries. (One is an office manager, one works for Amtrak as a foreman.)

    From TPM blog item: “The Washington Post reported last week that campaign contributions from oil industry execs rose in a big way in the last half of June, after McCain drew a huge amount of attention by reversing his opposition on June 16th to the federal ban on offshore drilling.”

    Please let this get more play than TPM’s groundbreaking work on the US attorney firings story.

    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/oil_company_executives.php

  • dog's eye view

    Ted Kennedy taped a 5-min. speech for the convention over the weekend. His immune system may not be strong enough to attend in person.

    Still, don’t you think it’s possible they’ll play the tape and he will appear to applause after? And rest up otherwise?

    When we heard the news about the diagnosis (Sheila and I were driving through Idaho and heard it from Brian by phone before we got more details via rightwing radio show — even they were restrained and respectful about it), I wondered if he might have to tape a speech. Beyond good to know he was able to put off the taping for so long.

    Hope Sen. Kennedy has been sailing in private and enjoying his Cape summer.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/08/kennedy_tapes_video_for_democr.php

  • dog's eye view

    Photo gallery of the birthday guy, over the past year. Pictures by freelance photog, Ms. Scout Tufankjian. What a great job.

    http://www.scouttufankjian.com/main.php

  • Karolenna,

    Awesome and amazing Vets against McCain stuff…..and Dornan talking against him WOW! He’s not liked too well. I wonder why the press haven’t lept on this? This Vets against McCain is his “Jeremiah Wright”.

  • dog's eye view

    Obama’s “Pocket” ad, re McCain being in Big Oil’s pocket.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Obama_Pocket.html

    I think they needed to include a picture of Cheney as well as the Bush and McCain photo — let’s remember Big Oil’s influence and the still never released White House Energy Tax Force meeting info.

  • hey I turned my Mom onto “John Adams” yesterday. The whole set was only $35 at Costco (as opposed to $45.99 retail). interestingly enough, my mom didn’t know Samual Adams and John Adams were cousins. Plus she thought Sam Adams was the other President Adams in history.

  • Sheila,

    There is just so much out there from so many veterans. Now some of the vets are the same people, but to say they he had no choice to come home because his Daddy was a big shot and it would look bad if they allowed him to come home and not the others. That he actually did not choose to stay. That decision was made by the brass. Don’t know if that was in this video or not, but it is in several of them. Also, they said the 32 videos he made FOR the Viet Cong have been classified FOR LIFE. One video says this is going to be John McCain Swiftboating ad for this fall. I sure hope if this is all factual, which it would to be, that it comes out.

    Vietnam Veterans Hate McCain (this video talks about McCain’s father and being the son of an Admiral)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g

    Vietnam Veterans against McCain
    http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

  • Well you can’t deny that this is all the truth. I mean a republican Senator publically defaming him for tying up and classifying information in Vietnam so the MIA/POW issues could not be put to rest. What a jerk!

  • dog's eye view

    I just put a hello and invite to visit us on POPatricia’s Morning Martini; asked her if we could include her on our blogroll.

    Always mean to check in more on her! Wonderful person and blog.

  • I just saw some plumped up lips woman (don’t you hate when they go overboard with the injections?) on Hard Ball. She was on there talking about how McCain is way in front of Obama on the gas tax holiday to help consumers. Do people actually believe this will be of benefit for them? Just a couple of weeks ago we had a feature in the Columbus Dispatch that said forget about the gas tax freeze because we are going to get an increase to fix our roads. That is the biggest farce I’ve heard about in years yet people still believe it.

    Forget a freeze; gas tax may rise
    10-cent boost possible to aid cash-strapped highway fund
    Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:44 AM

    “Despite calls from the presidential campaign trail for a Memorial Day-to-Labor Day tax freeze, lawmakers quickly concluded — with a prod from the construction industry — that having $9 billion less to spend on highways could create a pre-election specter of thousands of lost jobs.

    Now, lawmakers quietly are talking about raising fuel taxes by a dime from the current 18.4 cents a gallon on gasoline and 24.3 cents on diesel.”

    http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/content/national_world/stories/2008/07/20/Gas_tax_0720.ART_ART_07-20-08_A1_9JAQ21B.html?sid=101

  • Karolenna,
    I’ve often said that McCain’s POW time didn’t make him a war hero. Perhaps his efforts on the Forrestal, but not being a POW. He refused early release because of his status, but that act was noble, not heroic.

  • dog,
    Re: the Hess contributions and the switch to yea for offshore drilling. I’m thinking Obama needs a veep with a sense of humor so s/he can smile when s/he exposes this kinda crap.

    If Kennedy is doing poorly, I doubt he be at the convention. Denver is a mile high, and a lot of people who are from sea level and in frail health have a hard time with the altitude.

    And finally, thanks for the mention of PoP, I miss her wit and don’t get to her site as much as I should.

  • I’m going to step lightly on the Vietnam Vets Against McCain interviews. They’re too much like the Swiftboat Vets Against Kerry. Now, on the other hand, if some of the alleged Hanoi tapes show up I’ll change my mind quickly. And, so will the American people.

  • DND,

    No disrespect to you, but did you actually watch all the video clips I posted? There are many, many more and some of radio talk shows saying the same thing. These are also real vets talking. They say he could not come home leaving all the other POWs behind because it would have looked bad for his father who was an Admiral; and, the reason he was allowed the opportunity to come home was because of all the film clips he made FOR the Viet Cong. Actually, one vet said John McCain did not even have the opportunity given to him for the above reason. If you watch these men they seem to be true patriots. Why were the film clips made classified for life? As I mentioned in another post, I did not read or hear of the hearings about the POWs. Many were upset that McCain called off the search for MIA’s “in the Senate” saying they were all found. How did he know? What about their families? He’s not the only solider ever held as a POW. It’s quite possible there wre others who knew of his past?

    Anyway, I have no respect for him after this past week. None at all. It’s as I read on a website that said “John McCain had sold his soul for a move up to the WH”, and that was from a person who said he used to support him.

  • Hey Hipster
    Very good point! “You gotta fight back”! I have been thinking that all weekend.I’m so pissed off about the ads McCain is running.Same Ole, Same Ole from the Republicans.Your point about President Clinton and his war room is a good one and I hope one Sen, Obama will adopt.Yes we need a fighter,Yes we do!

  • According to the vets, the Hanoi tapes will not ever show up. But, I believe these men when they say that they are “somewhere” but classified.

  • Karolenna,
    LOL! No I didn’t look at the vids you posted. I will.

    I just wish the MSM would keep playing the April 11 interview with McCain where he pledged he’d wage a civil campaign.

  • dog's eye view

    Hi Tony, welcome.

    Karolenna and others: Am not in to getting after McCain about his POW experience, but allowing the celebrity ad and race-baiting — he’s got enough to answer for there.

    You would enjoy a cruise through Andrew Sullivan’s site. It’s my second favorite site, after baby blog here, and he puts up some great links.

  • Well DND, AMong others, Senator Dornan is on that first one telling about McCains motives for blocking and Classifying the documents from the Vietnam Museum and at the expense of families and the commitee to find MIAs

    Dispicable…..I mean a fellow republican talking against him.

  • dog's eye view

    Call him B-1 Bob or Rep. Dornan. Senator, no, thank goodness.

  • Wow dnd Thanks for the read. Its interesting and I’m sure your gut is sounding as loud as mine.

    Karolenna, I read and watched all those videos. They are compelling and not in the same mode as swiftboat vets. They are real and its very important for everyone to watch them.

    I am going to look see if Dornan was in Hanoi Hilton. He sure sounded valid.

  • He’s not a Vet. He served on the MIA/POW committee and was the fighter and tried to call out McCain on Fraud. He was banned from the floor for it.

  • I’m sorry. He is Air Force. Leaving the service in 1958

  • Okay, just stopping in for a bit to deliver the party favors……you know it’s a birthday party!!!! (just glad it’s not my birthday)

    Happy Birthday Barack!!!! Where’s the cake?

    http://i38.tinypic.com/2vdl40h.gif

  • HEY! Where ya been? The Party’s almost over!

  • So i just had a good talk with my friend. He said, “Ok I’ll Vote Obama!” lol another Hillary hold out worn down, Mission accomplished.

  • If you’re at all interested in the unfolding of the anthrax story, see Glenn Greenwald’s constantly updated piece at Salon.com:

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/04/anthrax/

    This story when it’s finally revealed, if ever, will lead right to the WH and to the feet of John McCain.

  • I love the Title!

    Fox Punk’d By Bogus KFC Whopper

    Last week Fox News ran a story about how things were going so well in Fallujah that they’ve opened their first KFC franchise to keep the locals hooked up with quality Fried Chicken. They even got ret. Gen. Tommy Franks to comment on the great news. The whole thing sounded a bit iffy to us. So unlike Fox News we decided to ring up KFC World Headquarters to find out if the story was really true.

    Afraid not. Things may be going swimmingly in the former insurgent hotspot. But there’s no KFC in town. In fact, KFC tells us they’re now “working with the US Military to warn the troops of this situation”, whatever that means.

    –Josh Marshall

  • In response to, dogs eye view, I would be honored to be linked here. Thank you so much. I hink of you guys often, we had some fun times.

  • dog's eye view

    Yippee. Thanks POP, and so glad to keep in touch. You have many admirers here.

  • I’ve been freezing the shot glasses…..it’s a lot of work ya’ know…..

    Hey Shelia…happy to hear about your new “interest”….that rocks!

  • Steve (Aging Hipster)

    Olbermann time- will try to get back on at 9- I thought Obama’s team did a lot better today.

  • dog's eye view

    That’s great, Burrito. Although the Basset Hound party animal cannot be topped.

    Happy Birthday Barack. May you celebrate next year in a different house.

  • POP! Well I’ll be….good to see you!

  • EPROF,

    That is a very compelling complation. I’m convinced and thank you!

  • PoP,
    Good to see ‘ya. It’s been a while.

  • Obama needs a new solidarity motto…..” you can’t stop us! ” or something, he needs to energize his base to counter the attacks! so that the Obama supporter doesn’t start feeling hopelessness. (imo)

  • dog's eye view

    Rest in Peace, Scotty and Gordo Cooper and other cremains MIA since SpaceX vehicle failure.

    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/04/missing-rocket-missing-remains/index.html?hp

    Kind of odd story.

    Another odd one: the house of a friend of mine burned a few years ago, taking some of her domestic goods (not all because — luckily for her — she had not sold her previous house yet and made the complete move) and her father’s ashes. The furniture and fixings and rugs were replaced fully by insurance, but the ashes… what an odd story, but I guess Dad is always with her now.

  • dog's eye view

    Burrito: you should totally go to the Town Hall. Chances are you will get in, and ppl with unused tickets will turn them back in.

    Let us know how it goes! What a great thing to do. Let us know if you’re seeing any former Hillary supporters (yeah, like how would you know?) or McCain demonstrators.

    Good luck!

  • Roger Clemens is 46 today! I wonder if his birthday cake has steroids in it ;)

  • Dog – think I will, I’ll take my daughter, she was with me in 2004…at Kerry rallies….we will try….

    btw….very little display of stickers and signs around here….I guess maybe the general public isn’t in tune yet.

  • dog's eye view

    So Dana Milbank and Keith Olberman/Countdown part ways. Over the president-presumptuous column. Interesting. I do think Milbank went for laughs over factuality there,

    Glad Gerald Posner is making such a good case against accepting the story about Dr. Ivins on its face. The over the top therapist story has always seemed the strangest piece; no others coming forward on the danger he posed to society (albeit he is estranged from both brothers, and there is some story there).

    Something is not right here.

  • Hey, PoP, nice to see you here. Kind of like ol’ home week, eh? I never miss visiting your site whenever I’m on line. Love your work! And, Fred, who constantly reminds us that humans should act a lot better than they do and how he loves you and Mr. PoP!

    Ok, folks, Keith Olbermann just reported that President Bush badgered FBI Director Mueller into reporting that al Queda and/or terrorists were behind the anthrax attacks; thus, taking their eye off the prize of tracking down who and why weapons grade anthrax was used in these crimes against Democrats and some media outlets.

    It’s Watergate all over again! Sorry to be such a party pooper on Obama’s birthday party here at backchannel.

  • Eprof,

    I can’t remember the last time you were so impassioned. I’m glad to see it and keep us imformed. I for one will start looking for it more, but you are in Arizona still and up to your neck in depth, I bet.

  • dog said “So Dana Milbank and Keith Olberman/Countdown part ways.” —very publically at that, I was surprised.

    eprof2 – the anthrax situation stinks…a lot….going to read all your posts

  • *stretches and yawns*

    Damn you people have busy today!

  • Boy Bill had a shifted eye look about him in that ABC piece.

  • he [Bill] looked pissed didn’t he?

  • petulant is the word that came to my mind.

  • Can you imagine being Bill Clinton and having some no name asking you about being a racists? more or less?

    I don’t blame him.

  • Bill Clinton is showing his wear and tear after that heart sugery.

    The old Bill Clinton would not be carrying on this way, he’d be playing ball so to speak and we would be admiring his come back. He’d also be gamely supporting Obama and taking on the republicans with relish.

  • I don’t like sore losers, and Bill is proving himself to be a very sore loser. For all concerned I think it’s better that Obama won’t owe the clintons anything.

  • They are very bitter….no doubt….but I don’t think it helps anyone to rub their faces in it…..it would be better to leave them alone.

    I think Hillary is most likely the Queen of Bitterati

  • dog's eye view

    What are you watching about Bill Clinton? I’ve tuned in Hogan’s Heroes on TVLand.

    No one’s going to be doing any TV shows with laugh tracks about Iraq.

  • She’s getting her moment at the convention, speaking of the convention I sure hope Teddy will be able to attend.

  • Think of their [Clintons] position……they have nothing much left….most have left them behind….so actually, it is a very touchy situation, for Barack and Barack has touchy situations all over the place…..the white v. black line… the uppity v. real guy line…..

    Obama needs to inspire his base to fight back at the repugs attacks…….”power of the people” so to speak

  • Dog my girl,

    What do ya think we are watching and this time of night? lol

  • UB, I agree, but he has always done things in his own time. Sometimes the stress is horrible. ;0)

  • Very True…in time…….in time

    Now I am wondering about this anthrax dude….obsessed with Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority in Ohio ….oh my! Say it isn’t so!

  • Brian first that was a laugh and then it was fun. Gravel is cool!

  • I love Gravel, at least our kook knows he’s a kook, unlike Paul, the GOP’s kook.

  • Multiple Oil Company Executives Gave Huge Contributions To Electing McCain Just Days After Offshore Drilling Reversal

    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/oil_company_executives.php

    A repug in the pocket of big oil, I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya!

  • They are evil people ….evil, I tell ya…

  • Light the torches, it’s time to storm the castle!

  • Facing ‘dire’ tumor, Novak announces retirement

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/04/novak.retirement/

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — Conservative columnist and former CNN host Robert Novak said Monday that he will retire immediately to focus on treatment of a malignant brain tumor.

    Journalist Robert Novak said he will retire to focus on treatment for a brain tumor.

    The longtime Chicago Sun-Times commentator told the newspaper that his prognosis is “dire.”

    “The details are being worked out with the doctors this week, but the tentative plan is for radiation and chemotherapy,” he said.

  • It’s couldn’t have happened to a “nicer” person Sheila!

  • Brian, I wouldn’t even wish that on an enemy.

  • I didn’t wish it on him, but I’m certainly not going to pretend I give two shits about what happens to him. He’s always been a scum bag, having cancer doesn’t make him any less a scum bag. I’ll save my compassion for people who warrant compassion, Robert Novak is not on that list!

  • Hey it looks like we might cross the 15,000 hits mark today, and today has been our best day in terms of visitors, over 535!

  • Well Hip always does it, doesn’t he ;0)

  • Yeah, he’s a real crowd grabber! He puts us all to shame, between you and me, I think Nasty Dog Killer is ghost writing his pieces.

  • whats the deal on Milbank and KO. I missed it. Care to let me in on it?

  • what do you mean, what’s the deal? I’m half watching to be honest.

  • I just saw that Dana Milbank is persona non grata, because of how he reported an Obama quote, is that what you mean?

  • …..Ok……Saw the Milbank Clip…..woops!

    Goodbye Dana….

  • In 2008, Milbank wrote a column in which he alleged that presidential candidate Barack Obama was “presumptous” and claimed that Senator Obama had said “I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.” [7] Several critics contended that this quote was taken out of context and/or deliberately omitted the extensive, self-deprecating passage preceding it. [8] [9] Milbank also apparently confused British Prime Minister (Gordon Brown) with the Leader of the Opposition (David Cameron) in the column. On August 4th, in his Best Persons in the World Segment, Olbermann announced that Milbank was permanently leaving Countdown in favor of another television program. Airing opposite Countdown, Milbank was seen on CNN Election Center with Campbell Brown as a contributor.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Milbank

  • Dana wouldn’t include the whole quote of something, and Countdown gave him the chance to correct, and Dana choose to stick with the half quote that told half the story…KO is pissed, and actually disappointed…….as he should be.

    I think Dana ’s ego is getting the best of him right now. (imo)

  • ego is the worst enemy to anyone

  • Here is the article in question:

    President Obama Continues Hectic Victory Tour

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/29/AR2008072902068.html

  • this guy on countdown right now looks like he could be in a Batman movie….seriously…..the suit…all he needs is some wild make-up….

  • okay peepsies….g’ night… Have a happy tomorrow :)

  • night UB, sleep tight!

  • Glad to see the regulars and the visitors like POP and eprof2 and Tony. This thing is starting to take on its own life I believe.

    ¡yo soy Horsedooty!

  • Been a great day on the Baby Blog. Good Night everybody

  • Sheila it’s 8:30 your time and you’re going to bed? Have you considered adding Geritol to your daily routine?

  • Brian, I’m not going to bed. I’m going to watch the boob tube ;0)

    Your the only one up on the right coast, it seems.

  • Nobody goes to bed before Colbert!

  • Steve (Aging Hipster)

    Thanks for the comps at 10:25 gang. I was deep into a book about the Tuscarora War in 1711 when you guys were typing that stuff.

    Yes, KDN is my ghost writer.

  • Steve (Aging Hipster)

    Re Milbank: I like. He could really, really do us all a favor and get some well informed GOPers in there or some Libertarians.

  • Steve (Aging Hipster)

    What’s so funny about checking your tire pressure?

    Why do Republicans deride Democrats for so many big government proposals and then mock them for talking about things you can immediately do for yourself?

  • Steve (Aging Hipster)

    “What is it about George W. Bush that makes you want to serve him?”

    http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/04/10796/

  • I just caught up on all the comments, now have to go back and read the links, especially the anthrax scandal, being an admitted conspiracy theorist. Great post, Steve, eliciting many points of discussion. So excited PoP stopped by, do check in on her blog and Fred the Cat sometimes. I’m sorry about Dana Milbank, think he’s hilarious and will miss him. Catch you all later.

  • Steve (Aging Hipster)

    Last check in before my workout-

    Scarborough cheerleading McCain this morning at 6 AM, blabbing about tire pressure. He hasn’t revealed what the GOP sent him in talking points.

    CNN and Fox are doing straight news, with long clips of both candidates.

    Got to go book buying later today, may not be in as much.

  • Whoa Hip, Morning Load coming in last in the ratings. I can’t figure out why ;)

    I bet they wish they hadn’t fired Imus…

  • During ABC’s Kate Snow’s prickly interview with Bill Clinton, everybody focused on his non-endorsement of Obama. I thought more interesting was his statement: “You could argue that no one’s ready to be president.” Didn’t his wife say that she’d be ready on day one?

  • Steve (Aging Hipster)

    Bill wasn’t helping much. I never contended that he was racist, and dont believe that. I do however know EXACTLY what he meant when he said what he said in SC. You would have to be stupid not to know it.

  • dog's eye view

    For eprof: Dr. Anderson, an Ivins colleague — and medical ethicist — takes on the therapist’s assessment to court.

    Ivins Colleague rejects therapist’s description, from the Frederick News Post, Aug 4

    http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?storyID=78365

    While counselor Jean Duley said the late Bruce E. Ivins expressed homicidal intentions, threatened her and said he “would go out in a blaze of glory” in the face of a pending FBI indictment, as least one former colleague believes the Fort Detrick scientist is being used as a scapegoat in the high profile anthrax poisoning case that paralyzed the nation — again — shortly after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

    Arthur O. Anderson, a medical doctor and scientist at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Disease at Fort Detrick, said Duley’s description of Ivins doesn’t match his impressions of a man with whom he worked for many years.

    ….

    As a health care professional and bioethicist — he heads USAMRIID’s Office of Human Use and Ethics — Anderson said he takes issue with what he views as Duley’s professional betrayal of Ivins.

    “I can tell you very clearly that the minute a conflict of interest occurs in the caregiver-client relationship she has to withdraw as the caregiver,” he said. “She can’t ethically continue to gather information or share information — betray that trust — without disclosing to her client that she is sharing what he believes is confidential, privileged information.”

    Anderson said that if he was to betray a patient’s trust in such a manner, he would be subject to medical disciplinary procedures.

    In commenting about remarks made by Duley when she applied to the District Court of Maryland for a Peace Order, Anderson said he was amazed that a judge would allow hearsay to be entered on the record.

    Duley referred to comments allegedly made by Ivins’ psychiatrist about Ivins’ homicidal and sociopathic tendencies, without confirmation to the court that the doctor actually made the comments.

    “The remaining allegations about murderous ideas and plans sound so foreign to me that in the absence of contemporaneously documented evidence I would have to consider them items of Ms. Duley’s vivid imagination or information fed to her by the people she communicated with outside the therapeutic environment,” Anderson wrote in an e-mail to the News-Post. “It is not at all surprising to me that a patient whose therapist is serving as a double agent ‘therapist’ and ‘accuser’ would become very angry with the therapist and might make some rather dramatic expressions of that anger.”

    ……….

  • dog's eye view

    Katherine Graham Cracker’s website (a good one!) on food and farm issues. It’s called Seasonal Pantry.

    Please sign her petition on strengthening food safety by enhancing traceability of fresh produce.

    (KGC had mentioned the tomato industry passed and passed on farm to consumer traceability — which might have protected them in the recent salmonella scare shutdown and presumably cost the farmers millions.)

    http://seasonalpantry.blogspot.com/2008/08/sign-my-petition-please.html

  • dog's eye view

    140 hits so far. Way to go, baby blog.

    Keith never mentioned what other show Dana Milbank would be departing for. Any ideas?

    Sorry they could not work that one out. Sounds like Milbank stood his ground, when the record was against him.

    ========

    Reading up on the recent Bill Clinton media interviews and appearances.

    I like him tremendously, and think he was a very good president who allowed his own personal failings to undermine the final 2 years of his presidency. He should never have been impeached. Censured, yes.

    Awoke to Anderson Cooper making some comments about WJC coming too slow or too late to supporting the Obama ticket. Have to read first to make own judgment, but I hope that is not the case.

    If he is playing hardball to try to secure HRC the VP slot, this could backfire on everybody and would diminish my respect for WJC.

    =====
    Oh: Good morning all!

  • dog's eye view

    Today’s Frederick paper.

    Stronger evidence for therapist’s fear of Ivins — there are apparently answering machine messages in possession of FBI.

    Interesting that no one else from counseling group has spoken publicly (to my knowledge) or gone to police about the threat Ivins posed. Maybe they did and it’s confidential.

    http://www.fredericknewspost.com/

  • dog's eye view

    Baltimore Sun:

    Doubts about anthrax story
    Survivors, relatives wonder if dead scientist was truly the culprit

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.anthrax05aug05,0,7051572.story

    Mentions NYTimes and Wall Street Journal articles on DNA analysis of anthrax spores.

  • dog's eye view

    Unbelievable.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/207091.php

    For the left: Fred Hiatt, the reason I cancelled our WaPost subscription.

    Mark Halperin and some in the MSM are a little skewed, would you say?

  • I can’t even begin to express how disturbed I am about the supposed comments of Ivins’ therapist, who seems to me to be an example of someone who well may be in the field for all the wrong reasons. She seems to have a shaky past relative to her own psychiatric stability and although that may not necessarily negate her comments, she is behaving unethically, at best. It clouds the truth even more. So far, Ivins seems to be to just be the perfect scapegoat and the truth is yet to surface.

  • Morning all, I’m getting ready for work. Going to be a long day. I hope to get some time to spend here, but you know me. In and out!

    Cheers!

  • Personally I like Big and Rich. its fitting that Big Kenny is the Obama guy.

    There are many others in the country industry that are Obama people too. Like Toby Keith and Faith Hill for two.

  • Morning peeps,
    Congrats to us, we crossed the 15,000 hits mark!

  • *Tap Dancing* *Balloons* *Gig* ;0) Congrats to us!

  • This might be a bad week for the White House and McCain.

    New Ron Suskind book coming out, claims White House ordered forged document to demonstrate Al Quada – Saddam ties.

    Say what you will about Ron Suskind, no one has disproved any of his earlier writings. He’s got very good sources.

    Mike Allen story in Politico, picked up by Talking Points Memo.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12308.html

  • Andrew Sullivan: why is the race so close?

    Fascinating thought that perceived Democratic strength in Congressional races might be giving voters the opportunity to consider more voting for McCain, as he’s not the across the board threat that Bush-Cheney and a compliant congress was.

    Very believable to me, and why I cringe whenever anyone says “landslide.” Too many variables and Obama is too different a candidate.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/why-is-the-race.html

  • Interesting Lisa,

    All though I bet it won’t get any interest in the Media until a new Administration gets sworn in. Too many people holding their collective breaths until January.

  • DND….

    Ar first I thought, “That makes sense, no one wants to see doggy stuff all over the place.” Then I read the first paragraph and just howled! I want to live in Denver! LOL

  • A Guide to the Sleaziest (and Most Contradictory) Smears on the Dem Nominee

    By Mister Leonard Pierce, AlterNet. Posted August 5, 2008.

    http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/93617/


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