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The bravest man in Washington, D. C., Rep Joseph Cao (R-La.)

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House health bill passes 220-215; 39 Dems and one GOP defect

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  • harborwoman
    November 8, 2009 at 12:07 am

    No kidding! I was stunned when I saw that ‘R’ vote posted on the screen! Good for him! He took Jefferson’s seat, so was he voting his constituents’ wishes?

  • Brian In NYC
    November 8, 2009 at 12:10 am

    Yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if we soon a D after his name.

  • Brian In NYC
    November 8, 2009 at 1:53 am

    The House floor erupted in one of the loudest cheers the chamber has heard in years when Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), an hour before midnight, cast the 218th and deciding vote on landmark health care reform.

    Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/08/health-care-passes-the-sc_n_349783.html&cp

    I love that Maxine Waters cast the 218th vote!

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Good morning! Now it’s on to the Senate. We have to keep pushing to get this done. The real cowards are in the Senate.

  • dnd
    November 8, 2009 at 10:41 am

    I’m guessing Rep. Coa won’t be getting a Christmas card from the Boner.

  • Brian In NYC
    November 8, 2009 at 10:42 am

    Not even a bottle of spray on tan for his xmas stocking.

  • dnd
    November 8, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Michael Steele and Frank Lunz, two of the right’s biggest propagandists, on ThisWeek. As Arte Johnson use to say on Laugh In: “Very interesting, but stupid.”

  • dnd
    November 8, 2009 at 10:47 am

    If it’s Sunday, it’s my favorite curmudgeon, Ed Quillen. This week ol’ Ed weighs in on Main Street vs. Wall Street.

    http://www.denverpost.com/quillen/ci_13725481

  • TempeBev
    November 8, 2009 at 10:50 am

    Now comes the real fight for healthcare and the fight to retain Senate seats. Is it an oxymoron or does it already fit the description?

  • Brian In NYC
    November 8, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Geez I don’t know how you can’t call what happened last night a “real fight”, we only won by two votes. Lets hope Reid is taking notes as to how Nancy did it.

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 11:09 am

    It’s an entirely different ball game in the Senate thanks to the damned filibuster. That’s where the real fight is going to be; Nancy’s methods won’t work there. Reid needs to figure this one out for himself. And he damned well better!

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Here is one of the major problems with the House Bill:

    In Pelosi’s House, 64 Democrats Sell Women Out

    Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/in-pelosis-house-64-democ_b_349769.html&cp

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    If you read women’s reactions to the Stupak amendment, you will see just how angry many of them are at Congress and the president. That will not bode well for either in 2010 and 2012. Once again, the president and the dems caved on women’s rights. Not good!

  • Brian In NYC
    November 8, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    The entire abortion issue should have never been part of the health care debate, from either side. I’m not thrilled with Stupak but if that’s the price of getting health care reform I can live with it, and trying to lay blame on the speaker is absurd.

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    That is your opinion; women disagree. They have a right to reproductive health services. The Stupak amendment infringes upon those rights. Furthermore, you may think it’s absurd to lay the blame on Nancy, but many women are doing exactly that. That, my dear, is one REALITY of the day.

  • Brian In NYC
    November 8, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    The truth of the matter is Nanny a lot of members of congress weren’t willing to vote for the bill till the Catholic Bishops signed off on it, and without Stupak the Bishops refused to.

    “To pass a healthcare reform bill, addressing abortion is necessary in order to get the support of conservative Democrats. Lobbyists for Catholic bishops were part of the negotiation.”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/66841-healthcare-bill-clears-house

  • TempeBev
    November 8, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    One more reason I left the Catholic church – “the Catholic bishops were part of the negotiation.”

  • TempeBev
    November 8, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Why does this not give me confidence?

    Lieberman to investigate Fort Hood killings

    Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent who chairs the the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, plans to begin an investigation into the killing of a dozen soldiers and a civilian at Fort Hood, Texas, to see if the Army “missed warning signs.”

    “This was an attack on American troops,” Lieberman said on ” Fox News Sunday.”
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/1109/Lieberman_to_investigate_killings_at_Fort_Hood.html

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    I’m struggling with that issue myself, Bev. It’s very disheartening.
    While Brian is correct that without Stupak’s amendment the bill would not have passed, it is also correct to say that women’s groups are very angry. Women play a major role in Democratic politics and they will not forget this vote. They see it as a betrayal and there will be repercussions. Count on it.

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Nothing Lieberman does inspires confidence in me, Bev. I’m not for ideological purity tests or for purging dissidents within the Democratic caucus. But in Lieberman’s case, I would happily make an exception. I think he ought to be run out of the caucus and stripped of his chairmanship ASAP.

  • Brian In NYC
    November 8, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Nanny I agree completely that women should be pissed off. But I think we have to be careful about not throwing out the baby with the bath water and falling into the trap the repugs have currently fallen into. The only way this bill will get better in time is to make sure we have a Democratic majority in both chambers for a long time to come. Making moderate Dems the target of ire is a sure way to make sure we lose the House in 2010. We see what the quest for ideological purity is doing to the GOP, lets not make the same mistake.

  • Brian In NYC
    November 8, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    “I would happily make an exception. I think he ought to be run out of the caucus and stripped of his chairmanship ASAP.”

    Not till after the health care vote!

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    Maybe it’s time for women to band together and form a “Women’s Reproductive Health Co-op.” It could be an insurance plan for reproductive health services only. For a small premium, perhaps based on a sliding scale, women could receive coverage that is otherwise denied to them under the Stupak amendment. Perhaps some of the contributions we women make to Democrats could be diverted to set up and fund such a co-op.

  • TempeBev
    November 8, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    That sounds like a great idea Nanny!

  • dnd
    November 8, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    http://clistersbackchannel.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/the-bravest-man-in-washington-d-c-rep-joseph-coa-r-la/#comment-28646

    Holy crap! PUMA-in-chief and head of the man hater’s club, Taylor Marsh, is given a voice on Huffpo!

    Bombast sells!

  • dnd
    November 8, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    The Stupak-Ellsworth-Pitts-Smith-Kaptur-Dahlkemper Amendment is a red herring in the context of the House bill. Before anyone ran the numbers about coverage, everyone jumped on it.

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    I happen to like and respect Taylor Marsh. She supported Obama and is hardly a man hater.

  • dnd
    November 8, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    nannymm,
    Marsh supported Hillary. Still does. The only man she likes is Larry Johnson (NO QUARTER) because he loves Hillary and hates Obama.

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Nonsense. Yes she supported Hillary, as did I. But when Obama won the nomination she supported him, again, as did I.

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Btw, I still love and support Hillary, too. That doesn’t make me or Taylor Marsh man haters.

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Taylor Marsh: True to Her Word
    June 26, 2008 by bostondreams

    I have trashed Taylor Marsh quite a bit for allowing her site to become a festering swamp of anti-Obama hate. That being said, she posted months ago that she would fight McCain whoever the nominee was. She has been true to her word. For example,

    Hillary has asked her delegates and her financial backers to support Barack Obama and do everything they can to elect him. She wants her supporters to do the same. If anyone thinks Hillary wants McCain elected they don’t know Senator Clinton. There is no way she’d embrace any Democrat who supported her endorsing John bomb-bomb-bomb Iran McCain.

    SOME of her commenters are still nuts, but Taylor, at least, recognizes the situation and is part of the reality-based community.
    http://thetmexperience.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/taylor-marsh-true-to-her-word/

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Girls in the Hood
    If women can defend Fort Hood, they can defend America.
    Fort Hood, Texas, hosts tens of thousands of men who are trained to fight for their country. But none of them stopped Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan as he blew away 13 of their colleagues Thursday afternoon. It was a civilian police officer, Sgt. Kimberly Munley, who confronted and shot him in an exchange of gunfire. For her trouble, Munley took bullets in both legs and an arm. Maybe the president will pin a medal on her.

    Here’s a better way to honor Munley: End the ban on women in combat.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2234862?nav=wp

  • dog's eye view
    November 8, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    He is [one of] the bravest men in Washington.

    So let’s get his name right: Cao. And many thanks for his courage and forethought.

    A harborwoman sighting! Allright!

    PS: another cool thing that happened yesterday: filly Zenyatta won the Breeder’s Cup. You go grrrl.

  • Brian In NYC
    November 8, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    good catch there dog, tnx

  • dog's eye view
    November 8, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    That was amazingly speedy, Brian. Thanks!

    I hope we get a good reconciliation bill out of the Senate.

    I mean, Olympia Snowe and Mr. Cao are exemplary individuals, but let’s not finesse the final bill to attract nonsupport from Republicans.

  • dnd
    November 8, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Harborwoman and Dog on the same day!
    HW, it’s getting to black bean and butternut squash chili season here.
    Dog, has Zenyatta lost anything yet? The Phillies need a filly like that.

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    It’s great to see both of you ladies today, Dog’s Eye and Harbor. We miss you!

  • Brian In NYC
    November 8, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    I’ve received 5 or 6 emails from Newsmax today, about double the normal volume, last night’s vote has rattled the right!

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Newsmax is whacked. It’s scary that so many idiots get their “news” for there.

  • Brian In NYC
    November 8, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    just a harbinger of things to come nanny, last night’s vote it going to pull the stopper out, the whack jobs will be in full force over the next few weeks.

  • nannymm
    November 8, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Will be??? If I recall correctly, they’ve been out in full force for months now.

  • dog's eye view
    November 8, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    Good to see you all too.

    Zenyatta the filly is 14-0. Not a shabby record.

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dwyre-breeders-cup8-2009nov08,0,6705565.column

    But Mr. Cao remains the star of this thread!

  • nannymm
    November 9, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Good morning!

  • Brian In NYC
    November 9, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Hey nanny your surgery still set for tomorrow?

  • nannymm
    November 9, 2009 at 10:49 am

    It sure is. I’m trying to get all the last minute stuff done around the house. Making a huge pot of sauce with meatballs and sausage right now. Gotta have food prepared so I don’t have to eat my hubby’s cooking. *shudders at the thought*

  • Brian In NYC
    November 9, 2009 at 11:18 am

    I guess chinese, thai, and mexican delivery isn’t an option up in your neck of the woods.

  • nannymm
    November 9, 2009 at 11:32 am

    Not even close. We do have Chinese for pick-up but it’s not very good. As for Mexican or Thai, dream on….

  • Brian In NYC
    November 9, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Our local Thai also does Vietnamese, I love viet cooking.

  • nannymm
    November 9, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Stop that! You’re making me jealous! And hungry!

  • Brian In NYC
    November 9, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Not to mention the new roasted chicken place that just opened up, yum yum, LOL

  • dnd
    November 9, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Hey nannymm, good luck with the surgery. You’ll be back pitching for the Yankees by spring training.

  • Brian In NYC
    November 9, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    You trying to kill our chances at a world series for next year d?

  • nannymm
    November 9, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    LMAO@dnd. Brian is so right about this! I’m the gal who can’t hit, pitch, catch, or throw a ball. Back in my schooldays even my best friends didn’t want me on their team. But when it came to math or science lab, they fought to be my partner. Go figure.

  • nannymm
    November 9, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Re: Stupak Amendment:

    Although House liberals voted for the bill with the amendment to keep the process moving forward, Rep. Diana DeGette (Colo.) said she has collected more than 40 signatures from House Democrats vowing to oppose any final bill that includes the amendment — enough to block passage.

    “There’s going to be a firestorm here,” DeGette said. “Women are going to realize that a Democratic-controlled House has passed legislation that would prohibit women paying for abortions with their own funds. . . . We’re not going to let this into law.”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/08/AR2009110818453.html

  • nannymm
    November 9, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    I warned you; women are PISSED OFF and intend to retaliate.

    It’s pretty fucking cramped underneath this bus, what with 50% of Americans down here.

    And now, lest we get too depressed, a few next steps:

    * Obama is probably asking you for money, too. Send a check to a pro-choice group instead. (Perhaps a check to Planned Parenthood, in Bart Stupak’s name?

    * Work on overturning the Hyde Amendment

    * Ask a pro-choice woman to run for office
    http://www.feministing.com/archives/018779.html

  • Brian In NYC
    November 9, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Nanny this was all about just clearing this hurdle, I don’t think anyone expects such harsh language to be in the final bill. Now if we can just get the bishops to mind their own business…

    I really don’t want to sound like I’m Catholic bashing, cause I’m not, but I have to question the morality of holding health care hostage.

  • nannymm
    November 9, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    I agree with that, Brian. The Bishops need to keep their noses out of politics and worry about souls. That’s what they were ordained to do.

  • dnd
    November 9, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    new thread.


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