Whose American Experience, by BrianInNYC

Lately I’ve been giving a lot of the thought to the state of race relations in this country. Not surprising, the nomination of Barack Obama was bound to have this effect of our country. How far we’ve come, how far we still have to go. The words of Rev. Wright set off a fire storm of comment both in defense of his words, but also loud out cries of “un-American”, “unpatriotic”. His words struck me as neither, but what did occur to me is just how differently we all view America, and our past. It also occurred to me that over a century later how we still haven’t come to terms with the entire issue of slavery and it’s impact on the American psyche. I remember using the term “the good old days” in some discussion in my 9th grade English class and my teacher replied “good old days is rather subjective”. He happened to be a black man, and I understood right off the point he was making. And I think the point is still valid, and I think if you dig a little deeper you will come to understand what divides so many of us.

I as a white American have an entirely different view of historic America and who Americans are than my African American friends do. It doesn’t matter that my family for the most part came to this country in the later half of the 19th Century. The glories of the American Revolution I accept as part of my heritage, but the issue of slavery I would shrug off with the thought “well that happened before my people came here”. I suspect this attitude in not all that uncommon among white Americans. My childhood education was filled with stories that spoke of the heroism of Americans, images of a brave Dolly Madison fleeing a burning White House, portrait of George Washington rescued. Little mention that the house from which she fled was built by slaves, little mention that the  building in which are laws are made was erected mostly with slave labor. Images of southern belles fanning themselves against the summer heat are just as much a part of the American psyche as any other, but how many of us actually take a moment to lift the curtain on such a pretty scene and view the injustice and brutality that went into supporting that image, not many I suspect. Please don’t think I mean to lay all the blame for the sin of slavery on the South, far from it. The northern states reaped many a reward from the free labor pool that existed in the South. No northern merchant to the best of my knowledge ever refused payment for goods just because the money had been earned on the backs of the Negro slave. No Northern mill owner turned away the cotton that fed his machinery or fattened his purse.

Almost a century and half after the civil war people still debate the displaying of the Stars and Bars, with the claim it’s just a display in the pride of Southern heritage, well so is the whip and noose, yet no one attempts to run them up a flag pole under the claim of pride in one’s heritage. What is the point I’m trying to make? The point is it isn’t just the color of our skin that separates us, it’s our collective view of who we are as a people and how we got to where we are today. Until we can recognize the African American experience in this country for what it, just as much a part of America as the stars on the flag there isn’t much hope. It’s time for white America to start honoring and embracing  the black experience in America and stop writing it off as something to be gotten over.

P.S. I’m not certain I’ve been able to articulate what I want to in this post, it’s a topic so filled with landmines and misunderstanding I find it hard to find the right words to express what I mean.  At the very least I hope I’ve started us on a dialog that should be important to all of us.



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121 responses to “Whose American Experience, by BrianInNYC

  1. chefsheila

    ……welll…….I am so proud to know you Brian. great Thread and this may end up being a thoughtful one at that!

    I have to digest

  2. chefsheila

    So the question I really want answered today. From a little research or from someone in the know. IS what is the real meaning of Plantation Mentality or Slave Mentality and are they the same or separate? I’ve been trying to find the definitions for a while.

    How would it pertain to today’s thread?

  3. And btw Sheila considering there were two major typos in today’s piece you’re fired as my proof reader!


  4. Tough question Sheila, I’ll wait a while so my nicotine and caffeine levels have a chance to stabilize.

  5. Brian,
    I was thinking very much along those line the other day. I think it important for everyone to reflect on this topic. Here’s a short post I posted on Saturday….


    This is one of the reasons my support for Barack has solidified and grown deeper for me. I truly believe in the possibility of great things happening for our country if Obama wins the White House.

  6. Nice post….I think you are dead on, and of course, this could also come from the perspective of a gay American, a poor rural white person etc with some cross sections.

  7. Very true AH, I can only speak to the gay part of your comment, but for many what be normal parts of growing up in America, milestones in life are often events filled with dread by young gay American, the prom, first date, ect.

  8. Wont be on much today:

    1.) Son’s 17th B-Day

    2.) Me and Wife alone for most of the PM….

    🙂 🙂 🙂

  9. Just read your blog piece UB, very well done, and happy bday to AH’s kid. You don’t look old enough to have a 17 y/o son! What’s your secret?

  10. My daughters 19th today…..

    Regarding the different life experiences…..My daughter went to first grade in Texas….We did a cross country driving vacation, and we were pointing out places that Native Indians may have lived. She was under the impression that “Indians” were a type of animal. We were floored! This happened about 13 years ago…The only place she could have learned that was from outside the home.

  11. Very nice morning today…I have to take the dogs to the park…..they are howling….ciao!

  12. Interesting about the Indians UB. I was discussing the topic of this thread with my mother last night, and the subject of Margret the housekeeper of my childhood came up and my mother remember that when she first interviewed Marget she asked her if she had any brothers and sister, Margret replied “I was one of 14 head”. My mother was very much taken aback by that.

  13. chefsheila

    Burrito here is my childhood influence story and its not nice. My exhusband is native american. The full blooded type. He was sooooooo embarrassed by his race that he hid it in the guise of being Hawiian.

    My son when he was little and after his father left us, began to show signs of being embarrased and or hateful to his own liniage.

    I mean at 5 he cried and screamed that he wasn’t an Indian because they were bad. His father was no help.

    I had to find someone from a local tribe to take him under their wing and help him see the beauty of his race through someone elses eyes.

    He finally showed his own father the way out of that whole about three years ago. But WHAT a horrible mess to visit on a child. When they become gownups its a life of misery.

  14. And a little child shall lead them!

  15. Horsedooty

    I live in the “hood” and I have a lot of African-American neighbors. I can testify that their experience of America is vastly different from mine. While I don’t think any of my ancestors owned any slaves, it would be pretty hard to prove. I do know that my Grandmother’s sister’s boy did a lot of genealogy to get his mother able to qualify for the Daughters of the American Revolution. (DAR)(that allowed my Granny to join also). So, it is possible that one or more actually did own a slave or two. That is part of my history and I cannot change it what so ever.

    ¡yo soy Horsedooty!

  16. Blog biz:

    I don’t know if anyone noticed by we’ve crossed the 5,000 hit mark, we’re averaging close to 400 hits a day! We rock folks!

  17. Horsedooty

    not bad for what less than a month? I am impressed

    ¡yo soy Horsedooty!

  18. chefsheila

    Me Too.

    Come in and set awhile all you lurkers, you are welcome!

  19. chefsheila

    Ok so here is another story what was something common in my family until I knew it wasn’t common in all.

    My Dad’s side of the family were southerners. Had a small Plantation in Virginia. But of course a long time ago and when I was growing up my dad used to bring it home by saying to us that for all we knew there was “Black Blood runing through our viens so he never wanted to see any signs of hate coming out of us.

    I grew up with that.

    Well in the Navy, long story short. I became very close friends with a girl from Maryland. African American. We are in the same division and were pregnant together. Andrea was one of my finest friends.

    Well before the babies came, she came over and spent the night and we had a little slumter party. She and I were talking about families and long story short, figured out and later confirmed that her family had taken on the name of the Plantation that they came from and it was Parker. My maiden name is Parker.

    We had a great time calling each other Cousins. But on a somber note, if it had been anyone else but someone I had grown to love, it may have been an uneasy reconning.

    Its that Bizarre and blessed at the same time or what?

  20. Now I understand where you get your great sense of rhythm from Sheila!

  21. chefsheila

    LOL actually I used to be pretty good at shaken a leg. However, I can only confirm that I have the Irish Gig in me!

  22. It’s a jewish and or black thing Sheila, we got lots rhythm!

  23. colleen

    This is fascinating and thought-provoking. I had the opportunity as a kid to grow up in an economically, racially, ethnically, religiously mixed neighborhood in a medium-sized city in SW PA. The schools I attended were probably 30% African-American, 20% Jewish, 50% White. Because my parents were essentially socialists (under the guise of liberal democrats) the beliefs of diversity and acceptance were inherent in our family’s functioning. My Dad was a union organizer when that had to be done underground, and lots of men in fancy suits came to our house on Saturday nights for surrepticious meetings when I was just a toddler. My Mother was the only person I knew who was more politically radical than my Father. Our next door neighbors were Jewish, their kitchen window looked out into our back yard, like Molly Goldberg, they had been in a concentration camp, and were terrified at first when they could see the fires from the blast furnaces late at night from the steel mill miles away. Three doors up and across the street lived an African American family, 2 brothers in their 20s who drove Cadillacs, one pink and one orange, with TV antennas on the back. Across the street a few doors down lived a physician and his family; he drove a Morgan. The goody-two-shoes Catholic family across the street who owned a bowling alley had underworld friends who dabbled in illegal gambling. Colorful. I went to Methodist Sunday School, Presbyterian Bible School in the Summers, Brownies at the Synagogue a block away (I was a Jewish Brownie!), and Catholic mass on holidays. Although never baptised, I just call myself a humanitarian. So what does this have to do with race? Well, I believe it helped me to accept any and all. That doesn’t mean that I even begin to profess an understanding of the experiences of another race, but certainly I remain open to learning.

    I read this the other day so went back to find it because I think it relates…

    Eugene Robinson
    On Black Patriotism


  24. dnd

    Great piece Brian.

  25. I want an orange Cadillac!

    Thanks dnd.

  26. Hey dnd how about you writing up something for Thursday?

  27. chefsheila

    Colleen, I can’t pull that one up and especially like Eugene Robinson. I don’t suppose you could pass that to me another way?

  28. it’s a good read shiela, I’ll copy and email it to you.

  29. chefsheila


    Carol Kreck…..wow. Its starting. the stifling of Free Speech is begining again. This time its McCain. What are they afraid of?

  30. chefsheila

    Thanks Brian.

    Did you read about Carol Kreck?

  31. not yet. do it now. so much reading, so little time!

  32. Horsedooty

    “I wanna ride in the car that Hank died in” Austin Lounge Lizards that car was a Cadillac

    ¡yo soy Horsedooty!

  33. Just read it, reminds of the two kids were arrested and jailed I think in NC or SC for protesting a speech of Bush’s.

  34. dnd

    Remember the “Denver Three” from three years ago?

    Booted from a Bush event in 2005. I see a pattern…


  35. The only freedom of speech the repugs embrace is fag bashing!

  36. colleen

    sheila, I emailed you the Robinson piece

  37. Now she can read it in stereo!

  38. chefsheila

    Colleen, that was an awesome piece. Was just watching John Adams that other night. First part and saw the massacre as part of the episode.

  39. dnd

    Now this is weird. T. Boone Pickens is pushing solar and wind, and using natural gas to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Is he in the Gore camp now? Didn’t he work to defeat Gore and Kerry?

    I don’t agree with Pickens politics, but he’s one smart hombre.


  40. chefsheila

    T Boone Pickens is looking for the next treasure, isn’t he?

  41. dnd

    Yes he is. He owns the world’s largest wind farm and he’s getting into water now too.

  42. Yeah I just saw that ad too, I’m going to check out the page, frankly it struck me as an Obama endorsement.

  43. chefsheila

    Not to say that treasure is bad and that changing politics can’t be good.

    But the next best bet is probably Windmill and Solar Energy until we figure something else better.

  44. dnd

    When you think about it wind is solar. So it hydroelectric. Indirectly, but it is.

  45. chefsheila

    ……your so muchsmarter than I am dnd…..that concept is foriegn to my brain. Trying to wrat wind and solar together, but they seem so separate.

    any chance of you giving me some sense?

  46. wind is created by the sun warming up ocean waters, actually every form of energy is solor. Oil is really nothing more than stored sunshine. Plants converted sunlight into carbon by photosynthesis, and then time and pressure converted the veggie matter into oil and coal.

  47. dnd

    Sun heats up water, it evaporates, condenses, comes down as rain, is collected in reservoirs and turned into hydroelectric. The interaction of the sun with the oceans and land and the atmosphere is what creates wind.

  48. dnd

    I don’t think geothermal is solar, but aside of that, I agree, it’s all solar.

  49. dnd

    Wouldn’t that be a hoot if Obama and Pickens teamed up?

  50. chefsheila

    oooooo Thanks so much. When I can visualise I am better able to connect the logic.

  51. guess I’m not the only one who watches the Discovery channels, LOL

  52. So back to the topic of race, and the different Americas, what do you think we can do , in our own varied positions in life?

  53. Not expecting everyone to act and think like middle class white americans I think would be a good start, it’s a tough question you ask burrito. Asking ourselves why we react the way we do. It just staggers me that so much negative was made about Obama’s comment about his grandmother, geez it just made so much sense to me, by nature humans react badly to anything that is different and we have to work to get beyond that.

  54. dnd

    Sra Burrito,
    As to what we can do about race, I’d say teach your children well. I’m really heartened to see my friends kids not understand racism or sexism or homophobia. They think we’re really stupid and that you have no more control over your race or gender or sexual orientation than you do if you’re left handed.

  55. My children have it down. But I continue to teach them. I also include terms of finances, and disorders, like alcoholics and depression, and different situations….

    They are very sheltered. However, daughter, lives in Brooklyn most of the year, and one son spent a summer in Paraguay, so they have been given wings out of white middle class suburbia…I think they get it…but do not know it.
    I tell them we live in a bubble…because we do.

    I do not think any of them have ever tried to look at our country through the eyes of a slave descendant. I know I never had until today….

    Thank you for that Brian….it helps me to better understand.

  56. I love that ……..I play CD in my garden

  57. Maybe someone over here has an answer!

    Another aspect of the repug Iraq war logic I don’t get is this scenario they envision about Obama’s upcoming trip to Iraq. There seems to be this notion out there that Obama is going to see that surge has worked so well and therefore will see the value of an open ended to commitment to military action. But it isn’t just as valid to think he’ll come back and say something like, “I’m so impressed with the job our fighting forces have done that I’m now more confident than ever that we will have our fighting troops home in 16 months”

  58. chefsheila

    wow Brian,

    I think that the notion that Obama will say, “its working” is so pie in the ski…

    Its not working enough or most of our troups would have been out. If it worked enough, the Iraqi’s would be running their own country and we would have quite a bit of oil as payment, according to the Right Wing Dream.

    So there is no earthly way Obama is going to come back and say its working. He’s going to come back and tell us his assessment of how the troups were that he talked to.

    There is going to be some youngin that will tell him to get us out and why. There will be the sound bite for the night or even for the convention.

  59. dnd

    Since Iraq wants a timetable for withdrawal, when Obama goes to Iraq, shouldn’t he meet with the Iraqi officials as well as the American generals?


  60. chefsheila

    oooo yes……ooo very good point MR

  61. dnd

    Oh, and for anyone who’s never been on one of these dog-and-pony shows, I think Obama should break away and in a stealth operation talk to troops who haven’t been hand picked but are in combat daily. Let’s see what they have to say.

  62. Good post Brian…

    My experiences are what I would say made me look at all people as human beings and not so much as being different from me.

    I grew up in several neighborhoods and they were all pretty much mixed races. I had several more friends who were AA’s than Spanish as well as different religions.

    There were times like Obama said his grandmother crossed the street when to avoid the AA because it scared her. I to have crossed the street many times and it wasn’t only to put distance between me and AA’s, but Spanish and Whites as well.

    It wasn’t because of there color or ethnicity, but a feeling I got that it would be more wise of me to have some distance between us.

    A fleeting moment of fear? Yes, very much so and it may have been unwarranted. These moments were usually at night and I was always aware of my surroundings.

    In fact I lived in one neighborhood that went through riots on the west side of Chicago when Madison Ave got torched from Kedzie Avenue to Cicero Avenue. At that time I lived on Hamlin Avenue across the street from Garfield Park and had AA neighbors in the apartment that we lived in.

    There are good and bad in all races and to think that one is worse than the other or to deny someone a the same opportunities that you receive is wrong.

    In the eyes of the Lord we are all one person. White, Black, Brown, Yellow, Jew, Christian, Buddhist, Man or Woman.

    We are Human Beings and if we don’t wake up and realize that than we very well may just make ourselves extinct.

    Good post and…

    God Bless.

    PS: I will see if I can come up with something to contribute though I do wear a tin foil hat.

  63. chefsheila

    YOu know it. I was just thinking the same thing. Been there done that, got the badge, seen the soldier of the month, week, year get tagged to represent. Better yet, a couple of officers because they are supposedly more articulate…. ;0)

  64. chefsheila

    Hi Anon-p! So good to see you!

  65. We look forward to reading what you and your tin foil hat have to say!

  66. You too Sheila…

    Liked your comment over at Craig’s today and I also like Rita’s response.

    As you say “You Go Girl”.

    Well I guess I need to catch up on the other sites. Good to see your still as spunky as ever and I hope you don’t take no Sh*t from anyone over there anymore.

    As for me I don’t want to comment over there with people who don’t find the act of inserting something as vile as PA into a Political contest a big deal.

    After all it isn’t there lives on the line so why should they think it should matter to them.

    Oh well, catch you later maybe.

    Take care and…

    God Bless.

  67. chefsheila

    I have to say something about what to do. So there I was. I was junior in the camera pool and got tagged for the Million Man March. Not what most white people wanted to cover.

    I learned a lot that day and began to let the real black experience wash over me. it was not pretty, to think of all those innocent children being awash in everything White to identify with and not even a beautiful black doll or GI Joe to grow up with. being blasted with sublimenals of what is really better. Growing up in White World and we take this for granted as normal.

    So I got a bit humble and felt a bit useless feeling. What could I do?

    The only useful act I could think of was to change my own perspective. See all peoples with worthwhile life stories. Volunteer my whole self to anyone. let them really know that I am sincere in wanting to know them and become someone that they would remember as authentic and sincere in my interest in them as human beings.

    I got interested in as much Black History as i could find so I could try to get some depth.

    I taught my son to convey the same respect and I’m very proud of him. that is all I could think of. A little bit of random kindness and respect.

    And then most important. Letting someone tell me their story and even with the anger. I personally thought it was very important even though it was very scary some times and uncomfortable most times.

  68. One more thing I left out of my comment is I also lived in a few gay neighborhoods as well and to be perfectly honest I never once felt threatened as I did in most of the other neighborhoods I lived in.

    Times have changed though and I see more hate today than when I was growing up which in and of itself is very strange to me.

    More hate, racism, bigotry and religious intolerance than I would ever thought I would see in my life time.

    God Bless.

  69. So do we think McCain is the first candidate to ever run against hope?

  70. I think Obama is going to go over there, and see the devastation, in the country, the Iraqi people and in our soldiers.

    I think he will be very well received. I hope, and believe, he will return to the States more resolved then ever to get our troops out of their country.

    From the field, and through the grapevine I hear that the soldiers are mentally damaged with in weeks of arriving Iraq. My one friend’s brother says, ” you can hear it when they talk, you just know they have changed. ” He will be joining the rest of his group next week in Iraq. Good-byes were said over the holiday weekend.

  71. I am very open to learning and listening, I do the best I can in my surroundings…..not much of a challenge.
    I think educating myself (reading), is a great idea Shelia since time restraints and family keep me inside the white bubble for the most part.

  72. u.b. …

    I hope he’s well protected as I don’t trust the Generals and do fear for Senator Obama while he’s on the ground in Iraq.

    Remember Pat Tillman.


    If anything happens to him while in Iraq I would hope the people finally rise up and once again take up arms to take our Country back and exterminate all those who stand in the way.

    As much as I don’t want to see American blood spilled on American soil if it comes to another Revolution than so be it written and so be it done.

    God Bless.

  73. chefsheila


    I will always hold im my mind when I my son hit that level over there during a call. It was heart wrenching to understand that he had felt his mortality at 25. An age that our generation could not have even put a finer one with that one.

    I want them out. If I and other mothers are going to sacrifise, it should be for out country and not for our automobiles or the Rich and their pocket books

  74. chefsheila

    BTW, what I wrote about the Million Man March enlightenment for me. Was not ment to be condescending at all. Just a perspective.

  75. I do not think I could handle that, having a son in this war.

  76. chefsheila

    its a tuff one. I’m thankfull he’s not there right now. With luck her won’t be there for a while. The rotation is three years rotating on and out and then two years in the states. he’s got another year and a half to go. I’m hope some kind of stabilization will occur or a re-mobilization even.

  77. dnd

    Carol Kreck issue on Countdown!
    Free Carol Kreck!

  78. chefsheila

    Saw that! She’s wonderful. I’m not sure I have that kind of courage to get arrested. It must have been ingrained in me because of my Military background, but I’m terrified of being arrested. So more to admire in Carol Kreck

  79. dnd

    When 60 year old librarians are outlawed…

    I hope she makes it on the Today show and the Nightly news.

    She didn’t get arrested. She got a ticket and a court date. Because of the court date, this isn’t going away any time soon.

  80. chefsheila

    Still….{{{{Shivering in my silly shoes}}}

  81. When I saw McCain at a Town Hall there were protester no one received tickets….great press for McCain…lol

    Her sign is all over the news….McCain = Bush

  82. dog's eye view

    Will have to catch Countdown on the rebroadcast.

    I hope so much Shane does stay stateside or at least out of Iraq for the rest of his rotation.

    Burrito: I have 4 nephews, and the 13 year old has always loved all things military. My dad was a Marine colonel who was one of Eisenhower’s military advisers in Viet Nam and did another tour in the mid 60s.

    I look at Erik and cannot even comprehend losing him to such a stupid war that should never have been started in the first place. It would be every bit as painful to lose him in the Afghan theatre, or a training accident, but Iraq and the IEDs are tearing up and killing too many of our troops and Iraqis. And for what?

    We have a marvelous 2-time Iraq active duty vet up the street. He is here to attend the National War College. Saw him running alongside his dubious little son up the street, bracing the bicycle since the little boy cannot ride a two wheeler yet and has taken some spills, and thinking how many little kids have to learn to ride from other adults and older kids since their parents can never come home to them.

    For a war that we were lied in to.

  83. This war touches so many many people….I am surprised more people are outraged!

  84. dog's eye view

    Oh, I just remembered the loss of Burrito’s wonderful friend. I am sorry if I’ve made you sad.

  85. no no problem……I just think that it is all such a waste…for everyone…Iraqi’s too

  86. chefsheila

    More so for the Iraqis. THey did not ask for this. At least our children made a choice.

  87. it’s just all terrible……all the way around

  88. chefsheila

    Speaking of children.

    The Obama girls are animated, polite, and obviously well brought up and cared for. That shows something else to me when your children who you off.

  89. They have a lovely family…looks like the traditional American dream family.

  90. what a life for those Girls if they win….yyyyeee haa….running in the halls of the White House….now that would seriously rock!

  91. dog's eye view

    Except maybe a photographic negative for a few too many voters

    But they are a beautiful family, aren’t they?

  92. chefsheila

    And not a put on. I hope this is all real. Don’t you? I hope to have put my faith in this man and and and……three years from now feel satified that he has re-alighned everything and its a good beginning again.

    Hope he grabs Bin Laden by the !@#$ and gets that over with too.

  93. dog's eye view

    They will get to see so much, and travel so many places (albeit in a bubble).

    I could never understand how the Bush girls seemed so shallow they could not use their great fortune in having a seat at history’s table.

  94. dog's eye view

    Do you think Bin Laden might try to interfere in our election again?

  95. Children are the windows into a family, and if Michelle is anything like I think she is, I would bet that Obama is the real deal. I can’t see her putting up with any man that wasn’t to her liking for a nano-second.

  96. chefsheila

    Personally I don’t think he will directly be involved ever again. Its grown to broad now. Too many in the movement.

    But it would be nice to clobber he and Al Zawahiri. Knock em out.

  97. Anyone remember what I said about needing your papers to even be able to fly within our own country?

    Or how I said if they put you on the no fly list you will never be taken off.

    Well here’s another one for all who think they may be able to leave America if things get too bad.

    “Oh my God, it’s finally happened. The Cheney/Bush administration has become so paralyzed by their own fear of the truth and the people that they are considering a stun bracelet to control the masses ~ starting with Airline passengers.”


    Now imagine a fence along the border that’s suppose to keep illegals out then think about the Great Wall of China to keep the outside world out.

    The Great Wall did something else as well. It kept the people in.

    Third World status is on its way and you better be ready for it.

    God Bless.

  98. Here’s another story about American Airlines and how passengers got angry after the flight crew showed up an hour and forty five minutes late.


    Good thing they weren’t wearing those shock bracelets and weren’t arrested by Homeland Security {Fatherland Security as the Nazi’s called theres}.

    God Bless.

  99. AP you picked up that American Airlines story on HuffPo I bet!

  100. I can see that….sad but true…we need to get this country back in the game….

    interesting link

  101. people just don’t like to wait ! especially in an airport…..

  102. Brian…

    So sad so true.

    And did you catch what one guy said about the nice hotel room even though there was barb wire around the hotel? I believe that’s what he said.

    God Bless.

  103. Nice thread to read 1st thing in the morning. I won’t comment on most of it since the action is over but lot’s of good thoughts.

    This is the way a thread should look when people agree or disagree.

    We are finally switching over to DSL today and wife and I have to get some errands done as well as vote in the state and local races, so I may not be able to post much.

    If I don’t talk to some of you this AM, have a great day and perhaps look for me in the PM.

  104. dog's eye view

    Steve: good morning. Am actually heading back to bed, but great to find you up and good luck with the DSL. You are going to wonder how you lived without it. (Cruel and unusual.)

    And of course you should comment on anything, at any time. We are all ears.

    Odd time to be voting. Is it a standard or specially called election?

  105. Dog:

    Early voting—We have a primary next week. A trend here in Georgia and in the rest of the country is that we are heading towards election weeks or election months instead of the old traditional Election Day. I can remember when I was working so hard for Kerry that there was a very big turnout for him in early voting across the country, literally vanloads of people in Florida up to the big day, but alas, it was not to be.

    Wife and I were talking about these local races; they have a much larger impact on us than the national ones. We have the first non-incumbent Sheriff’s election here in something like 20 years, and there are 26 men running for it in a county of 6000 voters. You can bet our vote is s lot more powerful than the one for President….

    McCain to Ohio and Clifornia today, Obama to Virginia. Once again, the battle is in the Red States, except in California, where McCain has very little chance.


  106. out for a bit, time for my morning workout

  107. Chef Sheila

    Well Good Morning Steve. I slept in and don’t have time to post, but wanted to say Good Morning World!!!

  108. Chef Sheila

    Craig Crawford on MSNBC. “He’s Flipping Monica but its no Flop!” LOL That was a good one

    Craig’s opinion was that everyone thought they knew what Obama was saying and now they are finally seeing what he means.

    Thanks Craig, but it really isn’t an issue. Most of us know that he’s been consistant on his opinions and beliefs. What really WAS talked about during the Primaries is still there. The rest is subjective because Ya’ll are just waking up to the rest of his beliefs.

    Bottom line with Obama. He is not going to shove his beliefs down our collective throats. Obama will go with Majority the Democratic way.

  109. dog's eye view

    Gagworthy news: WSJ reports that Karen Hughes is joining Mark Penn’s firm, Burson-Marsteller, as Vice Chairman.

    Offering advice to companies “faced with a changing Washington.”

    How can you beat strategy sessions from a Vice Chair hailing from an administration that most agree has taken the country down the wrong track, reporting to a Chairman who was caught flat-footed by a change within the electorate and delegate-amassing rules.

    Bet those companies get to pay dearly for the advice too. How could you lose?

    Swiped from WSJ online:

    WASHINGTON — Two hard-charging political operatives are teaming up to create a bipartisan consulting organization to advise corporations in crisis — as they work to burnish their own reputations as well.

    Former Clinton strategist Mark Penn, chairman and CEO of public-relations firm Burson-Marsteller, is hiring former Bush adviser Karen Hughes as a vice chairman, the principals say. The political combatants, known for their partisan efforts, decided to combine forces to offer a one-stop crisis-communication and public-affairs shop to corporations caught in front-page headlines or faced with a changing Washington.

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