Open Thread

Well we’re off to a very good start, now we all get to put our feet up for a bit and shoot the shit!



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86 responses to “Open Thread

  1. BOO! Someone say somthing

  2. Horsedooty

    this cover from the New Yorker Mag is outrageous.

  3. David Remnick On That New Yorker Cover: It’s Satire, Meant To Target “Distortions And Misconceptions And Prejudices” About Obama

  4. No argument from me doots, the magazine certainly could have found a better way of mocking the attitude of America’s most stupid. Like a cartoon of some goomer and his wife dancing with snakes saying “Well you know he’s a Muslim.

  5. Went running this morning and have been out and about all day.

    Remember the “Stop the Insanity” woman from about 10 years ago? She has a “radical, lesbian feminist” blog that’s worth a look.

    I will try to get back in later this PM

  6. Horsedooty

    more bitteratti on the All Hillary All the Time blog. Roll Call this.

    you lost

  7. Horsedooty

    well it is certainly getting a lot of airtime on MSNBC and I saw it mentioned on Fox actually.

  8. dog's eye view

    Brian: snake-dancers dissing another religion. That’s brilliant.

    Am so glad we are doing an open thread, athough won’t be around much today to participate, unfortunately.

    Emailed this to some friends, but here’s an interesting NYT story yesterday on trying to introduce the hand-washing with soap habit among Ghanians, who regarded childrens’ diarrhea as the usual occurrence.

    A very smart anthropologist leading the charge turned to the folks who brought us Febreeze — which failed on its first launch. How Febreeze grew into a $650 million industry is remarkable.

    “Warning: Habits May Be Good for You”

  9. dog's eye view

    We backchannelers have narrow minds. Were we smarter, we would understand many of their arguments better.

    Sending some virtual Febreeze to another blog as a kind gesture this Bastille Day.

    Anyway: more proof Hillary thought she was inevitable: having to walk back the kitchen sink once you decide, yes, you WILL settle for VP. (Or else, hmmm?)

  10. Chef Sheila

    The media is just floging this New Yorker. It will be a long day. I think I will go visiting friends and take a day off of the Political day.

  11. dog's eye view

    Sheila: good morning. We are virtually walking with you today! Keep up that habit!!

    Once they get bored with the New Yorker cover, do you think they might discuss the substance of his New York Times article today, My Plan for Iraq.

    Of course, there are celebrity babies in the news too…

  12. Horsedooty


  13. Chef Sheila

    Biden for VEEP!… wait…..AL GORE!!

  14. Dodd is my man of the week for VP slot

  15. Chef Sheila

    AL GORE AL GORE….just kidding. But Kathy, I still have my Draft Al Gore sticker on the car. I wear it with pride!

  16. Chef Sheila

    Guess I should find a BIDEN FOR BEEP sticker now… wait! If I do that, he may not be selected. ;0)

  17. Time to buy a new car Sheila. And I won’t even get into the irony of putting an Al Gore bumper sticker on a pickup truck!

  18. dog's eye view

    Gotta say, I don’t see Dodd. Northeast liberal, long friendship and association with Teddy Kennedy — which will not help with attracting disaffected GOP; father censured by the Senate (yes, after a distinguished career, but that will come up in contrast to Admiral McCain), long bachelorhood between marriages.

    Obama’s VP has to have major appeal across party lines and not be as easy fodder for GOP oppo researchers. Too much in Dodd’s past that could be misconstrued.

  19. dog's eye view

    BIden for BEEP.

    Love it. Gonna be noisy driving behind Chef Sheila.

  20. dog's eye view

    I mean, with all the dyslexics driving behind….

  21. Chef Sheila

    BUT DOG,

    Thats everyone on both sides of the aile.

  22. Dodds a banking whiz kid, if things get any worse, and do we have any reason to believe they won’t, he may need an economic guru on to reassure voters!

  23. dog's eye view

    So go with Robert Rubin?

    Or what about Robert Hormats, although think he might be GOP.

    Anyway, has to be a well-rounded candidate and not chosen for crisis du jour.

  24. Well Dodd has other assets too.

  25. Horsedooty

    well the mag cover is certainly getting a lot of airtime on MSNBC and I saw it mentioned on Fox actually.

  26. dnd

    Guess who wants a floor vote at the Democrat’s convention? Rush Limbaugh!

  27. Someone call Gov. Dean and let him know!

  28. dnd

    Poor Mark Sanford. We all have bad days. His had to happen on TV:

  29. dog's eye view

    re the roll call: something not addressed at all:

    Can Hillary count on all of her delegates remaining pledged to her? Particularly if there was any talk at the convention of HRC supporters hoping to overturn the primary/caucus results, would she retain the delegates from early states like New Jersey and others that might have voted differently a few weeks down the line?

    I don’t think there is a lot of Obama remorse out there.

    Even after 8 years of Bush, the Democrats’ winning the White House back is not going to be easy.

    I really don’t think Hillary would be in any way a more sure bet.

    What do you guys think? Is a roll call vote in order? I am thinking yes.

  30. dnd

    I’m pretty sure Hillary knows it would be political suicide for her if there’s a have a roll call vote. It may make her supporters feel good, but that’s about it.

  31. dog's eye view

    So what do you do for the Hillary supporters?

    And why does Hllary not tamp this whole roll call issue down herself, saying it’s time to put the primaries in the past, however close, and work together? She would look so much better than she does now.

    Would Al Gore have done this? Edwards? Obama, if he was down by a slim margin?

  32. Horsedooty

    nope no roll call

  33. “So what do you do for the Hillary supporters?”

    Who cares! It’s time to move beyond the entire concept of “hillary supporters”

  34. “So what do you do for the Hillary supporters?”

    slip them “space cake” at the convention.

    (weed laced brownies)

  35. Remember the movie Arsenic and Old Lace?

  36. Michigan aint looking too good for Gramps either.

    Barack Obama has more than doubled his lead over John McCain to eight percentage points in the economic battleground state of Michigan, with much of his new support coming from voters who have moved away from the Republican hopeful.

  37. dog's eye view

    dog reads the comments from linked CQ story today on a Roll Call.

    Loved this one:

    O Man JULY 14, 2008 7:03 PM
    The women who can’t lose graciously have set back feminism 50 years. What a classy stand ladies: If I don’t win I’m going to throw a hissy fit. Idiots.

    dog speaking here: A nice middle aged woman in SC told me that she worried that Hillary’s run would ruin it for another woman for years. I didn’t think so — told her I thought it would actually help — but did not figure in the bitter ender Hillary supporters, who might linger on voters’ minds long after their political shelf life concludes.

  38. Lurking….and a good morning to all

  39. Chef Sheila

    Morning Steve!

    Downing a cup of coffee…..

  40. Chef Sheila

    If I am going to state one thing this morning it is going to be this; The Republicans and their greed have broken the back of the American Economy. GM is just about to take a dive. That fact this morning is sooo damn scary!!! Their stocks have fallen to an all time low since 1925 and they have suspended ‘HEALTH INSURANCE” for ALL retirees 65 and older.

    I can’t imagine what is going to happen these next few years. We knew it was coming, but not like this.

  41. Chef Sheila

    Oh and a cut back of 20% of employees and suspension of the manufacture of 5 models…….

    GM is in huge trouble.

    On a personal note. No wonder my realtor is having one hell of a time renting my place. I may have to abandon it at this rate. oh man….

  42. dog's eye view

    Morning Sheila and Steve. Gonna be an interesting summer.

    If you have time, check out between 9:30 and 11 am. Streaming video (live) of Jane Mayer introducing her book on Bush-Cheney-Addington and torture.

    C-Span will air program later.

    Here’s Steve Clemons’ blurb — says it better!

    New Yorker Washington correspondent Jane Mayer will discuss her book, The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How The War on Terror Turned into a War on American Ideals, with me live this morning between 9:30 am and 11:00 am EST.

    The book is already #19 on Amazon and is an important, serious chronicle of the torture policy advocacy of Vice President Cheney and his current chief of staff David Addington.

    C-Span will also be covering this event today at the New America Foundation — though it will not be live.

  43. Chef Sheila

    New poll says Obama has a twenty point lead among women.

    New national poll make Obama 50% and McCain 41%

  44. Just got a phone call from the Obama campaign asking for money. I don’t know how many people are being contacted. Any one else? I told her to keep up the good work and I would give more at some point. I also got an e-mail or two this morning looking for more dough.

    All just FYI.

    I hope everyone is having a good morning.

  45. dog's eye view

    Yup, got a call yesterday and ponied up a miniscule amount for that pledge. (Do more giving via the internet.)

    Here’s a personal pup tent for sleeping in airports, complete with reading light and alarm clock. Only $40.

    If the economy heads too far south, this inventor might have a market he never dreamed of!

  46. Chef Sheila

    Steve, I’m a regular contributer and so I get those all the time. I’m a $50 a month person. I am on of the ones who has believed in the guy since 2004 and so I put my money where my mouth is.

    No one else has to though. That and ground pounding is my contribution.

  47. dog's eye view

    WordPress just ate my entry. Does not seem to like NYTimes links!

    Please rescue it, Brian.

    Anyway, yes, got a call yesterday. Ponied up, but still prefer the thrill and privacy of online donating.

    Steve: have you been contacted yet about volunteering in GA?

  48. Sheila,

    2004- pretty impressive….that’s about the time my wife got on board. I decided to support him fairly early, but it was more by default. I just thought he was the best in the field. I liked the hell out of Skinny Dennis but knew he had no shot.

  49. Chef Sheila

    Gosh…the collaps of GM will mean the collaps of all the auto parts plants around the nation. Tire production is going to be effected and layoffs will ocurr there.

    I’m pretty sure that eventually GM will be selling mainly to China where their cars are held in as much regard as Mercedes is here. ….

  50. Chef Sheila

    Steve, this time almost two years ago, I was on Craigs place making excuses for my support. I thought like the rest that Obama didn’t have a chance, but I believed in who he is.

    Just like Al Gore in the 80’s, I was willing to stay loyal.

  51. dog's eye view

    Good point about secondary effects, Sheila. Are you feeling better about having moved from the Detroit area?

  52. Doggie,

    I exchanged an e-mail with someone but there hasn’t been much else. They never got back to me. My county went 70-30 for the Torturer, so there’s not a ton of organization up here.

    I’m also not that interested in putting out the kind of effort I did in 2004.

    Example: We did over 50 miles of visibility signs for Kerry in 2004 and put out about 100 road signs….they were torn down and stolen within two hours. There are a lot more I could tell you about.

    I’m doing what I can. I have some ideas I am kicking around.

    Another problem is the election is right at the start of basketball season and those days at work take any where from 12 to 18 hours. There’s just not a lot of free time for me from November to February. That’s part of the reason I tend to disappear.

  53. Chef Sheila

    Moving from detroit is both favorable to my family and unfavorable financially. So how do you way one with another? I think I may not pull through financially, but my mother is benefiting from my being here.

  54. dog's eye view — live stream of Jane Mayer book “The Dark Side” on Bush Cheney and torture.

    Just beginning.

  55. dog's eye view

    Good program. You can listen to it and do other stuff on the laptop. Not sure the video is tracking but the sound is good.

  56. Chef Sheila

    No offense to anyone today, But I can’t think of any politics except GM and bank failures. Whats next? The failure of a Wall Street that was supposed to be fail proof this time around?

  57. dog's eye view

    Wall Street can’t be fail proof if too many companies get away from financial fundamentals. Recording all that debt — which could never be collected — as securitized assets — was never sound, and the bill has come due.

  58. Chef Sheila

    …..sorry. talk amongst yourselves. didn’t mean to put the cabash on the political talk today.

  59. dnd

    GM, banking failures worst since the S&L crisis (remember Neil Bush & Silverado, Keating Five?), Dow at 2006 levels, Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac failing.

    I’m ready for a change.

  60. dog's eye view

    Yes, I am wondering when the polling might reflect Americans’ anxiety more. It’s hard to believe all the GOP want to entrust their own party with the reins any longer.

    McCain is a good man in many respects, but he is not up to the challenges Bush and globalization have left for him.

    And those who say it does not matter who wins the presidency — what about staffing the agencies and admin? Like you have any GOP white knights waiting in the wings.

  61. Chef Sheila

    That SOB is really pissing me off!!! How can he make this politica!!!!

  62. Chef Sheila

    blaming HIS FREAKIN Oversight Slights on US?

  63. dog's eye view

    what are you watching? I’m listening to the Dark Side/W Note program.

    is it Bush presser?

  64. dnd

    I see Helen Thomas’ chair is empty. Hope she’s doing ok.

  65. Chef Sheila

    That doesn’t bode well. My thoughts are with her health.

  66. dnd

    Bush just said: “they have no disregard for human life.”


  67. Chef Sheila

    An important look at the bank failures with a running and active slide tally on the banks that are failing.

  68. Damn FDR and his big government!

    That damn FDIC….

    Looks like yet even more Democratic foresight to set that up right about now.

    I’m betting McCain wont be talking much about that.

  69. Bush just said: “they have no disregard for human life.”


    God bless that man!

  70. Chef Sheila

    Its hard to believe that others want this guy to continue as president. Some poeple would go down with a ship because its what they know then take a chance on a life boat with a slow leak, floating right in front of them.

  71. Chef Sheila

    what a difference over here…..we are concerned about the failing of our economy right before our eyes and our fearless leader’s apparent disconnect and THEY (other internet sights, mainly right wing) are concerned about nothing of consenquense…..except how they can defeat Obama because he’s just to inexperienced.

    Meanwhile McCain is clueless on the economy, not up on the internet, WWII on the Middle East….I mean come on.

  72. Sheila,

    You forgot to mention that he doesn’t know about Czechoslovakia breaking in half. I’m totally convinced that if the GOP “wins” this election the democrats need to fold it up.

  73. Chef Sheila

    I’ll fold and move just north of here. Become a neighbor of Tylenol….

    If they win, we are in terrible shape as a country. Fool me once, Shame on you, fool me twice SHame on Me…..I think we are out of fool me’s.

  74. Time for me to hit the rack for an afternoon nap.

    life of a teacher

  75. Chef Sheila

    Quinipaic….Move on Up For The Risen.

  76. dog's eye view

    Not looking that likely “they” are going to win.

    Marc Ambinder’s column.

    “Interpreting the National Polls”

    … The poll of polls and internal campaign polling for both campaign gives Obama a lead of anywhere between four and nine points using a tight likely voter model.

    …. Much more useful this year would be polls of the 18 or so competitive states. When last polled, Obama was beating or tying McCain in places like Indiana, Georgia and North Carolina. If, over the next few weeks, we see that he continues to perform above Democratic presidential levels there, then we can pretty much disregard the national surveys until the fall. The polls don’t account for the force multiplier effect that Obama’s campaign will almost certainly bring to bear with its millions of volunteers and thousands of paid staffers. Whether that effect is 1.01, 1.05 or even 1.3 — we don’t know yet. But even the McCain campaign acknowledges its existence.

    Also: I think McCain is leading among independents because many Republican leaners now identify as independents. …

    The election pits a likeable man who belongs to a party no one likes against a likeable man about whom a lot of Americans don’t know what to think. Opinion is going see-saw. The McCain campaign deserves technical points for lowering expectations, and the Obama campaign deserves technical points for almost preternatural self-confidence about their strategy.

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