Who Won? by Horsedooty

Biden ~ Palin

Biden ~ Palin

During the course of the debate, CNN was running a viewer response line for uncommitted voters in Ohio. Overall the numbers reflected a very strong performance for Biden. And while Palin scored well, at times, among this crowd, the dial lines indicated that she remains a controversial figure among females in that state.

Biden repeatedly won high accolades on a wide range of topics. His remarks about the personal trials of having a wife and daughter die in a car accident sent responses from both male and females through the roof. His dig at Dick Cheney — “the most dangerous Vice President in history” — and his pledge to end the war in Iraq were similarly popular. When he defended Obama from Palin’s attacks, he was held in equally high regard.

Read the rest of the article here: Who Won The VP Debate? Biden Scores Big.

More on this here: McCain Lost the VP Debate Too

and this also: VP Debate: McCain’s Big Gamble Comes Up Snake Eyes

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55 responses to “Who Won? by Horsedooty

  1. chefsheila

    Thanks Doots. Biden is absolutely, without a doubt, the best VP Pick that Obama could have made for this time. Not just the fight to the finish. But for the country as well.

    We have to have authentically caring people who live in glass houses and can communicate there empathy to us for what is ahead. Because in the end, that is what we are going to need to get through this next phase.

    Its not just the bail out…….we are going to be sacrifising and working for the next generation. Riches don’t count if there is no community, unity, and hard work. Time to roll up the sleeves.

    Joe Biden is the perfect man for that job.

  2. dnd

    What was weird during the debate was when Biden mentioned his personal trials, was Palin’s complete lack of sympathy. She looked like she was concentrating on what someone was telling her with that wire in her ear.

  3. chefsheila

    And let me just make this thought of mine clear. These young upstart republicans don’t know crap about what socialism really is…..

    We’ve had leanings more than once in history toward it and that was always to correct the course of the country after Capitalism became more important than Democracy.

    Well! Here we are again folks. I just never thought I would see it in my time. But greed always nurtures all the worst in us.

  4. chefsheila

    lol I was looking too dnd!

  5. dog's eye view

    Knock Doors This Weekend!

    Sarah Palin wants you to stay home this weekend!

    She’s says you’ve knocked enough doors already!

    Get Out, Register Some Voters & Knock Some Doors!

  6. While I agree with what I’m sure is common sentiment around here that Biden won, I don’t felt Palin “lost”. She did what she needed to do, she didn’t make a fool of herself (to the average voter), she stopped the hemorrhaging, and she removed herself from being the center of the story.

  7. chefsheila

    Brian, we are of like mind. No she didn’t lose, but one debate does not make a Vice President either.

  8. Mary-Margaret aka Nannymm

    I read an interesting article in WaPo the other day. It gave me pause, and a few chills. Here is a link.

    “Anyone who knows the history of those awful times has to be chastened. The Depression was not, after all, simply an economic crisis. It was also a political and cultural one. It contributed to the rise of totalitarian movements abroad — both in Europe and Japan — and some pretty ugly political movements here as well. These things are hard to measure, but American democracy’s closest call probably came during the Great Depression.”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/29/AR2008092902660.html

  9. Gallup Daily: Obama Maintains Significant Margin
    Lead is eight points, 50% to 42%

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/110932/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Maintains-Significant-Margin.aspx

    Voter preferences appear somewhat stable at the moment, as Obama has held similar advantages over McCain in each of the last three individual nights’ polling. That includes Friday polling, the first interviews conducted following Thursday’s widely viewed vice presidential debate, the passage of the economic rescue bill supported by both Obama and McCain, and Friday’s bleak jobs report.

  10. National Gallup Tracking Obama 50, McCain 42 Obama +8
    National Rasmussen Tracking Obama 51, McCain 45 Obama +6
    National Hotline/FD Tracking Obama 48, McCain 41 Obama +7

    Talk about a race solidifying.

  11. dnd

    As to Palin’s debate performance, two words: Ignoratio elenchi.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi

  12. Good post Doots. I thought the dial lines were very distratcing. In fact, we watched it in the morning and were very surprised that CNN had actually run the lines during the debate.

  13. horsedooty

    here is some good news from Minn. Coleman is losing to Al Frankin for the first time.

    http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/30451119.html

  14. Liked you post Doots….I found her response after Biden choked up to be very telling. She was playing a role, following the script like a wind-up doll. She showed no ability for a compassionate thought, or an authentic emotion….all her cutesy crap is usually at the expense of others, always being able to put someone down with a smile.

    Not qualified in any way to be VP or President, I wouldn’t even allow her to walk my dogs!

    McCain (imo) lost the White House when he chose Palin

  15. got to run….see you fine people later on this evening.

  16. dnd

    forgot to insert the signature paragraph in the Gail Collins piece:

    “This entire election season has been a long-running saga about the rise of women in American politics. On Thursday, it all went sour. The people boosting Palin’s triumph were not celebrating because she demonstrated that she is qualified to be president if something ever happened to John McCain. They were cheering her success in covering up her lack of knowledge about the things she would have to deal with if she wound up running the country.”

  17. dnd

    Oh, and Bob Herbert on who won the veep debate:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04herbert.html?hp

    Those pinkos at the NYT!

  18. chefsheila

    Ohhhhhh…..Goodness……Watching the debate again on CNN.

    She IS another GW Bush! She is limited in her thinking and intellect…..pure and simple!

    Now!!!! That does not mean I don’t like her. It just darned well means, She is not ready for prime time. She just has to grow some more brain cells.

    Female intuition and feline mobility are not enough this time!!!

  19. Obama gets high marks on credit crisis

    With the dust still settling on a bailout, Barack Obama’s response to the Wall Street credit crisis appears to have helped the Democrat open up a lead over Republican John McCain in Pennsylvania.

    Obama’s overall lead in the poll has increased from 4 points to 12 points in the last nine days, hitting 51 percent to McCain’s 39 percent on Friday.

    http://www.mcall.com/news/elections/local/all-a4_5poll.6616108oct04,0,3803430.story?track=rss

  20. I think in about 10 days we’re going to start hearing reports McCain is reducing his forces in PA. I bet he now wishes he hadn’t been such a maverick on those campaign finance laws!

  21. dnd

    Hip,
    Clearly, they’re pretty desperate if they’re trotting out the old “Obama is a terrorist” narrative.

  22. If Obama is a terrorist shouldn’t the Mavericks be arresting him, and not toying around playing politics as usual?

    If the Maverick McCain knows how to catch Bin Laden shouldn’t he do it?

    I would like to see the biggest Obama landslide in history…..

  23. chefsheila

    Only silly people are going to keep falling for that and now we know statistically, in this country, which population believes it. If they want to believe it, Then please by all means. Its a free country. This is what we are fighting for.

    BUT, thank goodness the majority of our citizenship can think clearly.

  24. Rezdog

    Brian,
    YGM. I sent .A nice photo of S Palin lol

  25. Mary-Margaret aka Nannymm

    How hard is it to put lipstick on a pig?

  26. chefsheila

    mary…..lol So cute. I’m going to send it to all my friends.

  27. colleen

    who won? well, Sarah for chutzpa, but Joe the rest. Joe was cordial, respectful, passionate, gentlemanly, fiery when needed. She made it clear from the beginning she was not responding to him or to Ifill, that she was “talking to the American people.” She made me ashamed and embarrassed to share her gender. The media gloves seem to be off in calling her on her shallowness, finally, and the charge is being led by Olbermann. She wants the presidency and actually has deluded herself into believing she’s qualified. McCain had better be careful, she might mistake him for a moose.

  28. After seeing her remarks on CNN this morning about Obama and Ayers, I can officially say she makes me want to vomit.

  29. Good morning everyone.

    Yes Palin is a despicable person.

  30. dog's eye view

    Good morning all.

    Please do some phoning or walking if you have a chance today; coming up against some voter registration deadlines tomorrow.

    Here’s hulu.com link to SNL Tina Fey as Palin in debate.

    It wasn’t tracking real well for me first time through; haven’t watched it yet but am thinking of letting it run through once without sound in background and then watching it on replay. Maybe that will make it more even?

    Anyway, hope it works well for you.

  31. I’m off to a peace rally today in Central Park, it’s one of those events where there could only be a handful of people or thousands!

  32. Amid growing concerns about the economy, Ohio Democrats are coming home to Sen. Barack Obama, giving him a 7-point advantage in a new Dispatch Poll as the volatile presidential campaign swings into its final month.

    The Illinois senator’s lead of 49 percent to 42 percent over Republican Sen. John McCain comes at an especially opportune time for Obama because thousands of Ohioans already are casting ballots in the state’s first presidential election allowing any registered voter to vote absentee. The new setup takes away some of the heft from the adage “the only poll that counts is the one on Election Day.”

    http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/05/copy/POLL05.ART_ART_10-05-08_A1_CLBG3US.html?adsec=politics&sid=101

  33. dnd

    Looks like “Obama is a terrorist” is the new Republican talking points. Huge mistake. Sure this will scare and solidify the base, but that’s not the crowd they need. Undecideds will see this as a silly, mean desperate move. Candidates who are desperate don’t build the confidence of undecided voters.

  34. The people want to hear about the economy, nothing else!

  35. dnd

    Hey Brian, Looking forward to your reporting from the peace rally.

  36. dnd

    I agree it’s about the economy. A couple of my major clients are strapped for cash. And the local Ace Hardware store closed. I’m not sure which I’m more upset about…

  37. dog's eye view

    Meanwhile, dog posts a thoroughly off-topic photo slide show of million dollar modular homes in Malibu — a trailer park with a view. Pacific and mountain.

    http://www.latimes.com/classified/realestate/news/la-hm-1004-guide-pg,0,7274716.photogallery?1

  38. dog's eye view

    NY Times magazine today — profile of retiring Virginia congressman Tom Davis.

    …”No more [heady days]. The revolution is over, the thrill is gone and the Republican brand under President Bush has, in Davis’s view, been so tarnished that, as he likes to say, “if we were a dog food, they would take us off the shelf.” These will be Davis’s last few weeks in Congress. He decided against re-election, disaffected by the partisanship, by a process he calls broken, by a party he considers hijacked by social conservatives. “We’re just not getting much done,” he said.

  39. dog's eye view

    Virginia Senator John Warner Won’t Rule out voting for (Democratic Senatorial Candidate) Mark Warner

    “Sen. John W. Warner indicated yesterday that he is not ruling out voting for Mark R. Warner, the Democrat who hopes to succeed him.

    “I’m watching that race, following the positions of the two candidates,” the Republican told reporters on a conference call today, Politico reported.

    “There have been occasions when I have supported Democratic candidates. But I’m not there yet.”

    John Warner, who defeated Mark Warner in Virginia’s 1996 Senate race, said he disagreed with Republican Jim Gilmore’s position on the federal bailout of Wall Street.

    During Friday night’s Senate debate in Roanoke, Gilmore called the $700 billion bailout bill a “travesty” that hurts taxpayers. …”

    http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-10-04-0175.html

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