Small Business, by dnd



One of the McCain campaign’s talking points is that Obama would raise taxes on everybody making over $42,000/year, which is a false statement.  Obama has proposed tax increases on those making over $250,000/year.  The McCain response is that this would hurt small businesses which are the backbone of the American economy and employment.

This got me to wonder which kind of small businesses would be impacted by raising individual income taxes on those making over $250,000/year.  Chances are the guy running the dry cleaning store at your local strip mall isn’t taking home over $250,000.  If his business makes over $250,000 in profits after operating expenses, he’s incorporated, so those are business assets.  If he wants to expand his business and hire more people, that’s where those assets go, not into his paycheck.  Small businesses where the owner makes over $250,000/year are likely to be sole proprietorships where the owner is the only employee: consultants, e-Bay sellers, lobbyists, etc.

The income tax issue as applied to small business is a red herring, designed to distract from the issue of fair taxation of the middle class.



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114 responses to “Small Business, by dnd

  1. chefsheila

    Thanks dnd,

    Another point of reality on this subject, is the same selfishness on the part of a heck of a lot of Small Business owners. I realize that they want to make a good living. But this type of person is also mostly the person who wants to keep all the money and doesn’t want to provide health insurance and doesn’t want to pay a fair wage.

    They are completely irrational

  2. Mary-Margaret aka Nannymm

    You nailed it here, dnd. But those repugs have no shame. Soon you’ll see the same, tired old commercials about putting family farms and mom and pop stores out of business. Those are the repug standbys. But I don’t think the voters are going to fall for any of the old tricks this year. People are very worried about their futures and they’re sick of all these lies and games.

  3. dnd you don’t mean to imply McCain is playing lose and fast with the facts do you? Don’t you know he was a POW!

  4. chefsheila

    Speaking of Commercials. Here a commercial that has me excited. You can’t take on the “POW” status, but you can take on Senator McCain’s record of support to the troops that “He Loves”

    Retired Admiral Hits Back At McCain’s Attack On Obama As “Dangerous”

    By Greg Sargent – October 6, 2008, 11:26AM
    The Obama campaign rolls out a military man, John Natham, who retired as a four-star admiral after four decades in the Navy, to respond to McCain’s adver-sleazement hitting Obama as “dangerous” and “dishonorable to our troops”:

    “As a recently retired Admiral, I know who has the strongest record of supporting the men and women currently serving in our military. Senator Obama has consistently voted to fund our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and, just as importantly, a proven record of support when they return home. That’s why independent veterans organizations give Senator Obama higher marks than Senator McCain. Despite consistent distortions of his record, thousands of veterans like myself support Senator Obama because he has the judgment, character and integrity to be a great president. We will need a great president to lead us in these very challenging times.”
    With McCain telegraphing a coming assault on Obama’s fitness to be president, you’ve got to think we’ll be seeing more retired military brass attesting not just to Obama’s judgment and support for vets, but to his readiness to serve as commander in chief.

  5. Barack Obama says John McCain would raise people’s taxes by changing the way the IRS looks at health insurance. McCain says he wouldn’t.

    Who’s right?

    Quite possibly McCain. But only because he’s decided to slash Medicare and Medicaid instead.

  6. dnd

    McCain was a POW? Really? Never heard about that. You think he’d use that in his campaign.

  7. dnd,

    My first time on the back channel…. Nice

    You say “If his business makes over $250,000 in profits after operating expenses, he’s incorporated, so those are business assets”

    This statement is not correct – I think you will find that most all small business is taxed at ordinary rates.

    The Business will be classified to provide the vale of protection as a corp. but the income will be taxed as individual – or possible double taxed at the corp. level then distributions.

    Obama is not small business Friendly – But I do not expect such from an elitist as Obama to understand – after all how will he fund his social policy?

  8. chefsheila

    ,,,,,Well of course you are right dnd. But did you know how much he loves The Troops and would do anything for them? except extend a well funed GI Bill, Health Insurance and programs for the wounded. Armor for the active duty. Fully funded support for the millions who are suffering from PTSD. But he loves them.

  9. Mary Margert Nannymm
    Wow those are some tough words,
    Having been involved in a small family business – I hope that Barack shares those same feelings.

    Then people should go do something else or open their own business !!!!

    You hit right on the target in the Socialistic direction Barack will try to take this country – which Bush has allowed to this point – which is why our stocks took a dive

  10. chefsheila

    Ping!! Well as I live and breath it is so nice to have you here!

  11. chefsheila

    Ping, I think you are going to find that Obama will fall more moderate than you are fearing. Following him for the years that I have. I have seen much more moderation, in the same beliefs as yours truly.

    In an extreme campaign, you are going to see RNC come out with Demonization. I am sure Obama will go back to his “Real” center.

  12. dnd

    Welcome to backchannel. Don’t be a stranger.

    I’m a small business. Actually two. I know way more about business taxes than I’d like to. I hate them. And they hate me. Obama’s proposal is to raise income tax on individuals making more than $250k. So my point was that this is a red herring because it doesn’t apply to the small business argument.

    BTW, I’m not nuts about setting a threshold for income. If you live in Thermopolis WY and make $250k, you’re stinky rich. If you live in San Francisco and make $250k, you’re middle class. I don’t have the answer to fair taxation. I don’t know if there is an answer. But the Feds take too much of our money.

    I’m not sure why you consider Obama not small business friendly, but I can assure his health care coverage policy will be a boon to small businesses. And to GM too.

  13. I need to go back and see what Obama is posting on Healthcare – To be honest I have not dug into this issue with him since Hillary.

    I agree that Obama is becoming to show much more centric and that has been in my posts. He is Changing.

    I will not jump off a roof if he wins.

  14. chefsheila

    Speaking of GM. They have been forced to end the health insurance coverage for ALL of their over 65 retiress across the board. Nada….

    Can you imagine, in the time of your life that you need health care the most and you’ve worked for it all your life, you don’t have it anymore?

  15. Brian – I came here to force you to wear your gas mask !!! Spray it down man, spray it down…


  16. chefsheila

    LOLOl So glad to hear that Ping. I would hate to lose your opinions. For a republican you’re all right!

  17. Pong you’re a walking WMD! LOL

  18. chefsheila

    SWAK! Ping!

  19. Mary-Margaret aka Nannymm

    I, too, know a bit about small business, Ping. And, yes, those were some tough words, tough words for tough times. Turn on the news right now and you’ll hear about how tough these times are for small business owners thanks to the mess George and the repugs have created. My point was that McCain can’t win on issues so he’s going to use the same old tired tactics…the politics of personal destruction, lies, and fear mongering. But most American have had enough of Repugs and their policies. If you don’t believe me now, let’s talk on November 5th.

  20. Mary-Margaret.aka Nannymm…

    To give this to the Reps with no accountability to the Dems is simply wrong, not factual and if not careful will lead to continued failure.

    It is very sad that Bush has done such a good job of being hated that people are now blinded to understanding the issues.

    For this reason I will try to stay on track with issues and not names – then you can add the names.

  21. Mary-Margaret aka Nannymm

    ping pong, yes there is blame to go around: there always is. However, the lion’s share belongs to the repugs. They have had the WH for 8yrs and Congress for 6 of them. They are the party of deregulation, “let the market decide” policies. They have failed. The buck stops right at their doorstop.

  22. chefsheila

    Ping my Dear,

    I know this is sensitive to everyone. The name calling. But in order to withstand the Term “Repug” you have to undertstand that you are not one.

    You are a Republican. REPUG is a term used to identify the Ultra Right Wing of the Party.

    Many of us are looking forward to having the Team of Rivals” if Obama is elected. We are hoping and antisapating that Hagel may see a cabinet positon or the the present Secretary of Defense Gates will stay.

    So remember, Repug really puts the division to light.

  23. Fully Agree – Bush has been complacent and did not stand up to the likes of Congress that allowed this to happen.

    And we must make sure it does not happen again – we can get back on track.
    We can not let social policy overrule sound fiscal policy.

    I know broken record

  24. chefsheila

    Our Beloved Frydaddy is a Repug! lol

  25. chefsheila

    Yes Buddy.

    Remember during any financial crisis, after “Captalism became more predominant that Democracy, A little socialism has been used to move the country in the right direction again.

    A great tool of moderation. So don’t demonize it. It helped your grand and great grand parents to recover after the great depression.

  26. dnd

    Check out yesterday’s post. It’s our fantasy cabinet pick. The list is in the blogroll section. I’d like to see your picks.

  27. As McCain’s Lead Among White Virginians Shrinks, So Too His Chances of Holding The State’s 13 Electoral Votes: 29 days until votes are counted in Virginia, Democrat Barack Obama is ahead 53% to 43%, according to this SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for WDBJ-TV in Roanoke, WJLA-TV in Washington DC, WTVR-TV in Richmond, and WJHL-TV in the Tri-Cities. In 4 tracking polls conducted since the Republican Convention, McCain has gone from up by 2 to down by 10.

  28. horsedooty

    what exactly has happened to Trail Mix? Looks like it is a trimmed down version.

  29. Chef… I never take offense…
    So we have REPUGS and DEMUGS?
    What is the ultra left wing called.

    I call for a Party !!
    Drinks on me !!

  30. dooty !!
    Where is Hipster?

  31. dnd

    “I will not jump off a roof if he wins.”

    That’s a relief. If Obama wins here’s what I’ll be doing:

  32. “What is the ultra left wing called.”


  33. dnd

    “We can not let social policy overrule sound fiscal policy.”

    I agree 100%. Especially now.

  34. chefsheila

    Ping I believe the Ultra Right mad the Ultra Left look like monsters with the word “Liberal”

    Hense most of us re-labeling ourselves as “Progressive”

  35. fuck progressive, I’m a LIBERAL

  36. chefsheila

    lol 🙂

  37. chefsheila

    Brian, besides reacting just like Ping reacted about Repug……I rest my case.

  38. dnd

    I agree that making “liberal” a four letter word is an abomination. Me, I’m socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

  39. dnd

    I can’t believe that Obama is up by 12 in VA. But the trend is a significant indicator. If Obama takes VA, it’s a landslide.

  40. chefsheila

    Lets just the “Lipstick on a Pig” OK? Raegan’s largest contribution, besides the beginning of our current crisis, was to put the “EVIL” sign on the term Liberal.

    Before that, it was a term used with respect.

  41. PRINCETON, NJ — Barack Obama leads John McCain among registered voters across the country by a 50% to 42% margin in Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Oct. 3-5, the tenth straight day in which Obama has held a statistically significant lead.

  42. dnd two polls released today showing Obama over 10 in VA. Two polls!

  43. chefsheila

    I want that corrected finally to 52% – 40. Thats the next goal.

  44. dnd

    Ok, let’s forget the demonetization of the term “liberal.” What’s more significant in my mind is the co-op of the term “conservative.” If you look at the expansion of government powers since 1980, the last thing you can call Republicans is “conservative.”

  45. chefsheila

    {{Sheilas Hands Are up Signaling Goal}}

    “You Betcha” dnd. Why don’t the conservatives see the most sginificant 360 the Bush Administration added to the question. From day one, “Out of Control Spending” and much larger government intervention and control of its citizens then we could ever have imagined.

  46. Hey pong if you want to write a piece for us you’re more than welcome to. No snark though, only a serious piece.

  47. chefsheila

    Yes Ping. Anything thats on your mind and as short or as long as you want.

  48. dnd

    In 1964, I really didn’t like Barry Goldwater. But I was only 10, what did I know. In 1974 when he told Nixon it was time to go, I reevaluated my position. Over the years he’d changed. He really got me to thinking of fiscal conservatism. I think of him as a senior statesman and hold him in regard like I do Mike Mansfield. We could sure use leaders like that now.

  49. chefsheila

    I know dnd. I think most of us, now matter party or financial position agree that Fiscal Conservatism is really a fancy political name for “Pay As You Go” . We all want a sound economy and a government that has been resonsible with our money.

  50. chefsheila

    Oh And Ping. Hip will be on in a while. He’s a professional. He’s works too. 🙂

  51. Hey — Chef — I did not react to Repug?? Did I…. I am working on Processive

  52. chefsheila

    Ping said, “I am working on Processive”

    Are you an IT? 🙂

  53. chefsheila

    Sorry about the pun….

    I understand that moving a thought forward is processive, but what do you want to move forward?

    I was just defining for you. You seemed to turn off as Mary used the term Repug.

  54. chefsheila

    Hey Guys, I’m getting hooked on “Mudflats” from Alaska. Wait’ll you get a load of this comparison of the Rallys held on the same day for Obama and Palin respectively. She may carry the state, but Obama is getting a great reception there too.

    McCain Palin Rally vs. Obama Biden Rally in Anchorage! The Blow by Blow.

  55. Mary-Margaret aka Nannymm

    Ping, I will try my best to refrain from using that term in conversation with you. The reason I started using it was more of a protest against the Republican (See! I said it.) propensity to call the Democratic Party the Democrat Party. After months of it ,I felt one insult deserved another. So there you have it.

  56. Attention everyone — No need to worry about the terms used…. I take no personal offense and I try not to dish it..

    I was responding to the points of the posts !!!

    Chef – been around to long as the lone Red Dot (others join now on Clist) to take offense…
    And ya never know who is really behind the Ping Pong

  57. horsedooty

    hi Ping to answer your question about where Hipster is probably at school. He is a school teacher.

    How is that girl dog you have?

  58. chefsheila

    LOL @ Ping 🙂

  59. we have added another Assuie – this time a minature. The old girls is doing great and teaching the young ADD child how to behave. It is really a beautiful processive change to watch.

    How is the photo world?

  60. horsedooty

    Photo world is still going thanks for asking. I used to know a saddle maker up in Oklahoma City several years ago that had a miniature Aussie and that little dog was very smart. I was not aware until I saw that little dog that there were miniature Aussies. Very cute pups.

  61. And Horse — (cannot let this one slip by) I know you are not ref my Mother in Law !!!! Ha Ha ha…
    Bad Ping

  62. Do you have any new photo’s posted? I have a site but most of my are High School sports… Trying to get more into the Art’s side of Photogrpahy

    And you are correct – that lil dog just looks at me with strong intent trying to understand what I am saying…

  63. horsedooty

    no no new photos posted. I did a CD cover shoot this summer for a singer/songwriter. I have sorta been retired for about a year and a half now. I closed my darkroom and moved the equipment to a storage facility and will be probably be selling it in the future.

    I dropped out of the Texas Church Project about a year ago. We sorta had a small difference of opinion about how often and where we would show our work. They wanted to create a completely different show for every gallery and I wanted to keep showing our work in different places until we ran out of places. I wanted to liken it a band on tour supporting a record. We could keep producing more work while these other shows were being viewed. I was not successful in getting them to see my point. About that same time my landlord was not paying the local property taxes and there was a bankruptcy auction for the building. I thought it best to move my stuff out of the building. The taxes were out of the range I could afford to take on.

    Good luck on the art side of photography. How will you shoot this work. Film digital or b/w or color? The only advise I can give you is find a subject you truly love and shoot shoot shoot. Be unmerciful in your editing. Use only the best of the best. That is all you have to sell. Quality is the most important thing.

  64. dnd

    McCain is turning into McNasty. Pretty pathetic. The poor guy has lost his moral compass.

  65. dnd

    Getting rid of the darkroom? Will you be going digital?

  66. horsedooty

    no dnd I have a problem with Digi photos. I am a snob in certain ways. I really don’t have any plans to build another darkroom. I do have a friend in Dallas that will allow me to use his dk/rm when I need it.

  67. Hello North Carolina!

    Raleigh, N.C. – With his party beginning to line up behind him to a greater extent than it
    had previously, Barack Obama has opened up a 50-44 lead over John McCain in North
    Carolina in the newest survey from Public Policy Polling.
    Last week Obama led by two points. He is now winning 82% of the Democratic vote,
    compared to just 74% a week ago. For most of the general election his share of his own
    party’s vote has hovered in the upper 60’s and lower 70’s.

  68. dnd this one is for you.

    McCain’s Decline In Virginia Not Limited To ‘Communist Country’

  69. dnd

    What do have against digital? I love the smell of stop bath and slushing my fingers through developer, But I don’t see the advantage to film. That said, Colorado nature phtog John Fielder is a strictly film guy. His work is breathtaking. As is yours.

  70. dnd

    Was the CD shoot for Brad?

  71. Fifty-three percent of likely voters questioned in the poll say they are backing Obama for president, with 45 percent supporting McCain.

    That 8-point lead is double the 4-point lead Obama held in the last CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, taken in mid-September.

  72. Remember how much noise the repugs made when Bill was running in ’92 about the fact he had visited the USSR while he was in college?

  73. Fox News Poll just out

    Ohio +1 McCain

    Florida +7 Obama

    VA +2 Obama

    Colorado + 6 Obama

    MO +3 Obama

  74. Karolenna

    From the time I left work until I got home the Missouri numbers moved in favor of Obama according to RealClearPolitics. I’m keeping a daily total from their site to compare each day. Yesterday it was 1.4 for McCain. Now it is 0.3 for Obama.

  75. chefsheila

    Great catch Karolenna! Come Missouri!

  76. Karolenna

    Anyone know what Obama calls a small business?

    My daughter and I have been trying to find what Obama calls a small business. We could not find anything. I thought it would go along with the guidelines the Small Business Administration uses. DND, are you saying that if a company makes in excess of $250,000 a year they will not get any of the Obama tax advantages for companies?

    My daughter and her husband own a company that employees less than 50 people. They contract out some of their work. I’m not sure what their revenues are a year, but I would think it is in the lower millions. The SBA indicates what we think their company falls into as small business making up to either $7 million or $35 million a year depending on the NAIC classification.

    Any thoughts? She is trying to convince their workers to vote for Obama because he supports small business.

  77. chefsheila

    Here you go K,

    Barack Obama and Joe Biden’s Plan For Small Business

  78. Karolenna

    Thanks, Sheila, but we found that site. It doesn’t give a dollar figure and that was what we wanted to know. Wouldn’t you think a small business is one that falls under the Small Business Administration standard?

  79. chefsheila

    K, Write the campaign and see if you get a response.

    But I would think, knowing how Obama understands the economy,, that he wouldn’t screwed the very fabric of our country. Small Business.
    Tell your daughter to let her people know for sure, Barack Obama is not a devil. He’s for turning around what is happening now. He is for keeping Small Business safe. AND he’s for making it easier for Small Business to thrive after he takes health insurance off their bottom line.

    And yes, I would think so. about SBA

    EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE AFTER 6:30 p.m. Monday, Oct. 6, 2008
    Economy and Ground Game Alike
    Give Obama an Advantage in Ohio

  81. Karolenna

    Brian, also in Ohio there are NOW more registered Democrats than Repugs. That’s mainly due to the Obama ground game and the “get out to register people” they’ve been busy with. Today was the last day to register and vote at the same time. Today was actually the last day to register to vote. This past week I think I read where there were over 6,000 new registered voters who had already voted.

    I noticed this last weekend the Repugs were out. How do I know who they were? They didn’t stop at my house because I have all my Obama signs in the yard.

  82. chefsheila

    Brian. Really interesting and indepth about Ohio

  83. Karolenna


    The local campaign director for Obama is trying to get an answer for me now about the small business question.

  84. yeah, loved that ABC polls, bottom line, McCain dead man walking.

  85. chefsheila

    Not yet. Obama has to nail the Indies. Its split 50% – 50%. That is the mountain that McCain is going after right now.

  86. Karolenna

    I think tomorrow night is going to be horrible. I bet McInsane brings up some of the scum that they are slinging around now. What do you want to bet? If he does I hope Obama attacks like a pit bull.

  87. horsedooty

    dnd, no it was for a cowboy singer I know. Guy named Allan Chapman. He normally plays bass in a Western Swing band called the Texas Trailhands. It is a five piece band. Allan’s wife is the fiddle player and teaches music and orchestra in the Ft Worth ISD. Allan used to have a writing contract with United Artists in Nashville back in the late 70s and early 80s. This is a cowboy CD of which he wrote all the songs. Pretty good album if you ask me.

  88. Karolenna

    Did any of you see this? God, I’d like to slam my fist into the face of that blonde bitch. She is such a damned repulsive Repug.

  89. horsedooty

    What do have against digital? I love the smell of stop bath and slushing my fingers through developer, But I don’t see the advantage to film. That said, Colorado nature phtog John Fielder is a strictly film guy. His work is breathtaking. As is yours.”

    thanks for the compliment. Digital is sorta instant gratification. The images are sharper with film. Since film is a mature application, it pleases me to work this way. Digital sorta reminds me of DAT Recordings and Film is much like a record. You know, I like the warmth of film and you can enlarge it to a greater size.

    other than that I got nothing against digital

  90. Hi all…

    Watch Keith tonight. He’s doing a special comment on Palinsaurus and I think he’s going to ream her a new *ssh*le.

    I don’t want her in the Peoples House. We know what Dick {Heinrich Himmler} Cheney’s definition of Torture is as its been shown at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib.

    Imagine what Palinsaurus’s definition is? Spanish Inquisition or Salem Witch Trails? Hell maybe back to the Crusades.

    Be afraid, be very afraid.

    God Bless

  91. horsedooty

    oh, I forgot the main thing. Change a 1 or a 0 in a digital file and it is lost forever. So storage is much more costly and chancy. Some one once said that the history of our country is found in the shoe boxes of everyone in America. With digital that is pretty much not true anymore.

  92. chefsheila


    Palinsaurus? Where’d ya get that one and when are you going to entertain us with a commentary on something?

    I think we’ve all missed you around here!

  93. Karolenna

    Hey, Anon. Heard KO mention his commentary for the end of the show. Can’t wait.

    Palin is more dangerous than even W or Cheney, IMO. That’s pretty bad. Cheney was evil but he didn’t have a witch doctor paster hanging around.

    What is happening to our country? These right wingers are destroying it. That’s what Bruce (Springsteen) said yesterday. We’ve got to take it back from these kinds of people.

  94. chefsheila

    McCain – Palin: Don’t stick a fork in us yet!

    The McCain campaign received some good news today. The study released this morning that showed one in four mammals are in danger of becoming extinct did not include the McCain-Palin ticket.

    Despite low polling numbers, no one is yet sticking a fork in the duo. In fact, the Obama campaign would say the most prominent fork on the campaign trail today is Sarah Palin’s tongue.


    The Republican nominee for vice president was on full throttle in Florida on Monday, making it a three-day assault on Barack Obama’s character.

    Some would argue that Palin’s new stump speech is basically a noun, a verb, and a “Barack hangs out with terrorists.”

    If that’s the case, she revised it today to add in a “he’s not telling the truth,” as Palin amped up her already incendiary speech.

  95. Well I do lurk and catch up every other day. Site’s blocked from work as well as mine site now.

    The only site I see everyday is Craig’s. They haven’t blocked that one yet {Thank you Lord}.

    In fact I broke down today and left I believe the third comment on today’s post over there.

    There is too much for me to deal with the current events this criminal administration has wrought upon our Country. I can not seem to be able to hold one set of thoughts to put up a new post. The crimes all become entwined and intermingled and run off in different directions just like Sarah Palinsaurus did in her Katie Couric interviews.

    Anyway, just wanted to say hi to everyone and let you all know that they haven’t come after me yet.

    That’s for all of you who believe I wear a tin foil hat. LOL…LOL…LOL…

    Goodnight and …

    God Bless.

  96. chefsheila

    LOL Good Night Friend.

    Why not just tell us why you are voting for Obama 🙂

  97. Sheila my friend…

    I did. I did a post on why I was supporting Obama and nothing has changed in how I feel.

    Why I Support Barack Obama

    See the link.

    Goodnight my friend…

    God Bless.

  98. Keith tore Sarah Palinsaurus a new *ssh*le and I have to ask forgiveness because I found it so sweet.

    Goodnight and …

    God Bless.

  99. dog's eye view

    Hello all. In Virginia, late regional post office has personnel hand-cancelling last minute voter registrations through close at 11:58 p; people still bringing them in as of 10:30p.

    Cannot speak to a 12-point lead, but there is a lot of enthusiasm here. Am talking to military families who are not automatic McCain votes (a few who have a bone to pick with him over the GI bill).

    Do we have a word or two (besides “maverick” or “character” – – as in “Barack’s is all bad”) for tomorrow night’s debate?


    Anon P: so good to see you! You must provide a pets report next time you visit.

  100. Kay Hagan continues to hold a commanding lead over Elizabeth Dole for the state’s
    Senate seat. She is up 49-40, with Libertarian Christopher Cole pulling 5% of the vote.
    She’s up double digits among independent voters and is winning in almost every region
    of the state.

  101. DND-

    Not sure McCain cares about the truth on Obama and $$$. I think he is just worried about winning the election….


    Sorry i didnt get in yesterday. Nothing’s wrong, just very busy at work. Still monitoring the polls and things look very good. Maybe I can sneak in later today.

    God only knows what crazy McCain is going to pull tonight.

  102. dnd

    The funny thing about Palin’s attack is that clearly she’s lying. That NYT piece is not recent, and it served to debunk his association with Ayres.

    Here’s a NYT piece she should read:

    “American business, typically a reliable Republican cheerleader, is decidedly lukewarm about Senator John McCain’s proposal to overhaul the health care system by revamping the tax treatment of health benefits, officials with leading trade groups say.”

  103. chefsheila

    Morning all,

    I’m posting this piece because it hits home closely for us all. I know I’ve been in the arguement and on the receiving end of this.


    By Deanie Mills – October 6, 2008, 5:16PM
    “There’s just something about him. I just can’t trust him.”

    “I heard he’s a Muslim, and that he’s really Arab-American, not African-American.”

    “If he gets elected, he’s going to appoint an all-black Cabinet, and start pushing a socialist agenda for inner-cities.”

    “I’m not prejudiced, but I heard he’s a radical. Just look at that black preacher he had.”

    “The thought of this man in the White House just scares me.”

    (Buttons sported at the Texas Republican convention):


  104. dog's eye view

    Good morning all. Beautiful sunny and crisply cool morning in Virginia.

    WaPost: Obama leading in Ohio, per WaPost/ABC poll.

  105. chefsheila

    WOW! just saw Brzezinski on Morning Joe.

    Talk about team of Rivals!! He and Scowcroft have written a book together. Two men that I have undying respect for and look to for the bottomline.

    called America and the WOrld.

    Now there is a book worth reading.

  106. dog's eye view

    The LATimes goes there.

    Mishaps Mark John McCain’s Record as Naval Aviator,0,876358,full.story

    Examination of McCain’s Navy flying career shows a pilot willing to hotdog and push the envelope; he wrecked 3 planes BEFORE being shot down over Hanoi. In 2 cases, his explanation was not borne out by examination of the aircraft. He ran into power lines in Spain in a third, flying too low. Contemporaries assumed he was “flat-hatting” — showboating.

    Yes, he was serving his country, but you have to ask yourself if a John Sidney Smith would have retained flying status with that record.

    LAT: “…In today’s military, a lapse in judgment that causes a crash can end a pilot’s career. Though standards were looser and crashes more frequent in the 1960s, McCain’s record stands out.

    “Three mishaps are unusual,” said Michael L. Barr, a former Air Force pilot with 137 combat missions in Vietnam and an internationally known aviation safety expert who teaches in USC’s Aviation Safety and Security Program. “After the third accident, you would say: Is there a trend here in terms of his flying skills and his judgment?”

    Jeremiah Pearson, a Navy officer who flew 400 missions over Vietnam without a mishap and later became the head of human spaceflight at NASA, said: “That’s a lot. You don’t want any. Maybe he was just unlucky.”

    Naval aviation experts say the three accidents before McCain’s deployment to Vietnam probably triggered a review to determine whether he should be allowed to continue flying. The results of the review would have been confidential. …”

  107. dog's eye view

    Hi Sheila, good morning.

    Scowcroft and Brz are assured of a fair hearing in an Obama administration.

  108. morning peeps, everybody debate ready!

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