Stay Tuned – Horsedooty

In an interview on the “Bill Press Show” Friday, the Michigan Democrat John Conyers floated the notion that the Bush team’s illegal wiretapping, torture, detention, and other practices could land some members in an international tribunal.

“I don’t want to get too speculative on that, because it’s still under review,” said Conyers on the radio show. “Now, remember, violation of the federal criminal code doesn’t end because you leave office. If a crime has been committed and there seems to be reasonable evidence that it did get committed, there’s nothing for a person to be prosecuted… Leaving office doesn’t free you up from what you may have done wrong … Anyone that leaves office, including [the] President … there’s the World Court…

This may be wishful thinking on a lot of peoples mind, but I hope and pray they can find the will to pull this off.



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33 responses to “Stay Tuned – Horsedooty

  1. dnd

    Obama was asked about this on This Week. He said nobody’s above the law, but said his focus was on looking forward rather than backwards.

  2. dnd

    If it’s Sunday, it’s my favorite curmudgeon, Ed Quillan.

    “There’s plenty of talk about the federal government stimulating the economy with new spending programs to improve American infrastructure while putting people to work. The model for this, I have read, is how the New Deal operated in the 1930s with the Civilian Conservation Corps, the Works Progress Administration, and the Public Works Administration. ”

  3. horsedooty

    Quinllan brings up some historically interesting stats and comments. The building where I attended high school (Polytechnic High) was built by the WPA. There are several schools in the area that were built by the WPA. There are several brick streets in Ft Worth and there were more that have now been rebuilt that were built by the WPA. Fort Worth gained a lot of infrastructure due to those types of programs.

  4. I do have to admit I do have trouble with the concept of a former American president being brought up on charges by the World Court. So many Americans are against the idea of a world court period, I worry it would harden them even more to the idea.

  5. Nannymm

    I see your point. However, I do hope Bush, Cheney, Rummy, and the rest pay the price for their crimes. No matter how distasteful and distracting it may be, I think we need to hold them accountable right here in the good old USA. If we don’t do it, we have to expect that others will.

  6. nanny I wish I had an answer for this one, but alas I don’t.

  7. Something else to consider is the politics of Obama going after BushCo aggressively. There could be a backlash among the repugs on the Hill which could make getting much needed bills passed. This is not a simple situation. Lots of factors to consider.

  8. dnd

    You bring up very good points. On the one hand we are a nation of laws, and no one is above the law. It’s very important to make that clear, and if need be, by example. On the other hand, if it would impede progress in these very troubled times, we need to weigh the costs.

    I’m praying for divine karma 😉

  9. Divine karma for all of us would be just lovely!

  10. horsedooty

    It might be my imagination, but I think the building at the head of this thread looks a lot like the Ballpark in Arlington. That is the place that the Texas Rangers Baseball Club plays about 82 times a year.

    compare at this site: Third pick down on the page that opens up.

  11. Well the building at the head of this thread is The Hague, and yes the ball park does attempt to have a modern version of that victorian style of brick work.

  12. I am totally torn on the issue. As much as I would love to see the criminality of the Bush administration exposed and punished, I find myself wanting to say “Good Riddance” and let’s get on with a more hopeful future.

    Which is worse: Letting the criminal off the hook or wasting necessary energy tied up in exposure and prosecution that could be better spent undoing the damage that has been done.

  13. horsedooty

    thanks, I was wondering if I needed to get my eyes checked again.

  14. Here’s another view of The Hague. It really is a beautiful building

  15. Nannymm

    I’m torn, too, Jamie. But I keep coming back to the idea that if the rule of law is to mean anything, it must be enforced. What good are the law, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights if we allow our highest elected officials to trample them without paying the price?

  16. horsedooty

    it helps the building tremendously to photograph it at the “Golden Hour.” But I agree it is a spectacularly beautiful building.

  17. Big changes to Obama stimulus plan

    The Obama team told about 35 Senate Democrats gathered at Sunday’s meeting that it would grow the size of an energy-tax incentive package and modify proposed tax credits for individuals and for businesses that hire new employees, according to meeting attendees. Also, with lawmakers raising concerns that the first half of the $700 billion of the financial rescue law was badly mismanaged, Obama’s team signaled it would lay out precisely how it would spend the second half of that package, which Congress is expected to consider as soon as this week.

  18. unlikely_burrito

    Re: Madoff & sister

    I heard of brother(s) doing that…..~~what a surprise.~~
    Like the post Doots!
    Without law there is chaos…..time to bring “law” back into fashion. Hang em high!
    Night all

  19. Nannymm

    Good night! Sleep well, everyone.

  20. dnd

    Woo hoo! Bush’s last presser. Couple of quotes:

    He said the press often “misunderestimated me.”

    “I generally mean what I say.”

  21. Nannymm

    Generally??? The implied truth there is that he sometimes lies. Imagine that!!!

  22. dnd

    I think Bush is back on the sauce.

    I’d love to read a transcript of this press conf.

  23. dnd

    Here’s one for ya Brian:

    “FEDERAL HEIGHTS — Times are tough for everyone, including pot smokers busted under the city’s old possession law.

    So the council, which represents about 12,000 people, decided last week to cut the fine for marijuana possession of an ounce or less from $1,000 to $500 and eliminate the possibility of jail time. ”

  24. Morning peeps. A step in the right direction dnd!

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