Dems Fuming Over White House Plan To Make Vets Pay For Service Injuries ~ Horsedooty

Democrats in Congress are organizing to squash a White House proposal that would require veterans to use private insurance to pay for treatment of their combat and service-related injuries.

In a letter being sent to the White House, a group of House Democrats, led by Rep. Glenn Nye (D-VA), warned that such a proposal “could harm our veterans and their families in unintended, yet very serious ways, jeopardizing their families’ health care and even negatively affecting veterans’ employment opportunities.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/17/
dems-fuming-over-white-ho_n_176006.html

If the White House allows this to move forward and the Congress cannot squash this, I am gonna be totally disappointed in this new governess. This proposal just can’t be allowed to happen to the vets that are injured.

Update: I just read in the Thursday paper that Gates says this idea has been squashed and will not have a chance to be put into law. Good sense reigns supreme.

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  1. Morning peeps,
    Sorry doots don’t agree with you on this one. I think there are a lot of compelling reasons to force insurance companies to pay for service-related injuries. I don’t think the goal of this idea was to “punish” vets. I think the goal was to help ease up an over burdened VA system, and to make things easier on the vets. One of the problems a lot of vets have is they don’t live a reasonable distance from a VA hospital, but forcing insurance companies to pay for vets could be receiving care close to home and not being forced to travel hundred miles for care. The only ones who benefit from scraping of this idea is the insurance companies. Well it’s not the first time a good idea was killed by knee jerk reactions before people actually read what the details are.

  2. dnd

    Yeah, dumb idea. But here’s a good idea:

    “WASHINGTON – Fulfilling President Obama’s pledge to “stand with our veterans as they face new challenges,” Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric K. Shinseki announced today that the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) will build a stand-alone replacement hospital for its existing facility in Denver. The new facility will be located on the grounds of the Army’s former Fitzsimons hospital in Aurora.

    The new medical center will provide Denver-area Veterans with a full range of medical, laboratory, research and counseling services, including services for Veterans with spinal cord injuries (SCI) and other disabilities. ”

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5373&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

  3. Another point, this thread shows yet another reason why we need a single payer system.

  4. nannymm

    Brian, I think you and Doots are both making excellent points. However, until we have Universal Healthcare, it seems that the best solution is for the government to pay for medical care for veterans at hospitals and clinics close to their homes. Thus, if there is no VA facility within say 50 or 100 miles, the government could contract with local facilities to provide care. That way, vets get care quickly and without the undue burden of traveling long distances.

  5. BevnTempe

    I’m pretty sure I read that this idea had been dumped already.
    http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090319/POLITICS/903190380

  6. dnd

    I’m with Nannymm here. It would be nice if the VA was relegated just to special treatments for war specific injuries, and vets could go anywhere for regular health care.

  7. nannymm

    Hi, Bev. It was dumped. Doots added that in an update.

  8. BevnTempe

    whoops -I missed that part.

  9. How long do you think it will take to get true health care reform?

    A daunting task to say the least.
    _____
    Whenever we, as a country, fail at caring for our veterans it is nothing more than a total disgrace. No matter what the particular issue, it is unacceptable.

    I am please to see Michelle Obama making veterans’ affairs one of her top issues.

  10. Senators propose registry for poisoned Iraq veterans

    “When we send American soldiers overseas, we have a responsibility to protect their health and safety,” Schrader said in a statement. “Our responsibility does not end when they leave the combat zone — our responsibility to them and their families is a lifelong commitment.”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2009/03/senators_propose_registry_for.html

  11. horsedooty

    One of the problems of writing and filing a post like this in advance is that things change. It did in this case. That is the reason for the addendum.

    I don’t have a problem with the gov’t forcing insurance companies to help pay for the health care of our vets. I do have a problem with the way the insurance companies dole out the care. I can see a lawsuit nightmare regarding the car of the vets. Until such time as the US deems a single payer system is what we need, I am much more comfortable with the way it is handled now with the regards to the Veterans Affairs. It is by no means perfect but as one that is “in the system” I see it as a pretty damned good deal now.

  12. horsedooty

    car = care

  13. My point is doots that much of the spin against this idea was that someone how it was “anti-vet”. Look at the headline on the huffpo piece, no on in the admin suggested that vets pay for their own care.

  14. Rezdog

    Nannymm sed: “. . it seems that the best solution is for the government to pay for medical care for veterans at hospitals and clinics close to their homes. Thus, if there is no VA facility within say 50 or 100 miles, the government could contract with local facilities to provide care.”

    wouldn’t this approach ease the burden on the VA.?

    Why don’t we do this? This system is similar to the PHS-IHS that I grew up under.

  15. Rezdog

    I agree with Brian in that it came off as an anti-Vet proposal.

  16. Rezdog

    same old same old

  17. nannymm

    Some of the problems I have with private health carriers covering Veterans are these:
    1. As Doots mentioned, private insurers have some arbitrary rules about what is covered and what is not. The also have co-pays and deductibles. This could be a very bad situation for veterans, especially wounded vets.
    2. The costs of caring for vets would be passed on to employers and other insureds when it is the obligation of the US Government to provide such care. The government promised to provide for the healthcare needs of our veterans. In fact, they entered into a contract to provide that care. They should not be allowed to break that contract. IMO, it is both a legal obligation and a moral one.

  18. Rezdog

    Nanny,
    I wasn’t mentioning insurers here at all. Just contract the services to a local HMO and have them send bill to VA. That’s what they did with IHS. If I couldn’t get to hosp. (had to be damn good reason) or if life threatening (ER) service then I was treated and the bill sent to IHS. If it was special need that IHS couldn’t handle (no on-site or traveling specialist) then I made prior contact with their contract care office and they sent me to their approved Specialist or mine if they wanted to participate and then sent the bill to IHS. Wouldn’t a similar system work for vets.

    Hope I’m making sense. 🙂

  19. dnd

    Rez,
    That makes perfect sense.

  20. Brownback to block Iraq nominee
    Senator says Christopher Hill misled him

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/20/brownback-ill-derail-iraq-nominee-confirmation/

    this is the problem when flat eathers get a little power.

  21. Rezdog

    It’s funny thinking back on it. All my doctors when I was a kid wore military dress uniforms to work. We use to joke and tease about going to see Lieutenant so and so.

  22. nannymm

    You make perfect sense, Rez. My comment wasn’t directed at you at all. I was basically trying to add to what I’d said earlier.
    The situation you describe is very much like what I think the government should do for our vets. Such a program would solve the two main issues many vets face now regarding healthcare: lengthy waits and long travel times to get needed (and may I add, well earned and deserved) care.
    So you and I are on the same page here, Rez. 😉

  23. Gives a whole new meaning to “assume the postion” rez!

    *ducks*

  24. nannymm

    Hey Doots, what do you think of the plan Rez and I are advocating?

  25. Rezdog

    lol, I get your follow-up comments now.

  26. Is Norm Coleman’s Attorney “Done” … ?

    Joe Friedberg, attorney for former Sen. Norm Coleman’s recount effort, seemed to suggest in a MN radio interview yesterday that Democrat Al Franken will wind out on top when the three-judge panel finishes reviewing the counting process. Friedberg says that he’s “done” but that the case could drag on for some time.

    http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2009/03/is_norm_coleman.php

    I’d like to see more info on where Coleman is getting the funds to keep this going in court. Everyone knows Coleman aint going back to the Senate but just delaying even by days the seating of a lawfully elected US Senator is now the GOP’s definition of success. Very patriotic too I might add!

  27. Rezdog

    RE : Healthcare . . However, there is a loss of control with such a setup. Like most everything else, someone gets greedy and I think you start seeing fraud and abuse. I recall several instances of a doctor and patient getting busted for submitting bills for phony work. I think similar situations occur with medicaid/medicare all the time.

    For the most part phs-ihs care wasn’t a bad deal. The contract care component eventually gave way to costs and abuse. And the whole system slowly lost credibility as the Indian patients got pushed aside when the system became more and more a general public health system for the poor and uninsured.

    This may be why no one is proposing such a direction for the VA. Been there, done that, so to speak.

  28. Suze Orman To Bush: “You Owe The American People Every Penny Of Your Fortune And Your Family’s Fortune”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/20/suze-orman-to-bush-you-ow_n_177241.html

  29. Why is so hard for people to grasp that attempts to block bonus in already written contracts is illegal and just would have everyone in court, getting nothing done.

  30. Interesting that it’s Mayor Bloomberg who’s at the White House today and not Gov. Paterson.

  31. dnd

    “doots, vet insurance issue is being featured on newsmax.tv”

    Huh, they must be reading backchannel 😉

  32. All the better people do, just ask Jamie.

    😆

  33. dnd

    Where is Jamie? Isn’t she due for a guest thread post?

  34. dnd

    I think Arnold has a man crush on Obama. Just sayin’…

  35. Yeah I noticed that too d. I still think he’s going to leave the GOP, he might not become a Dem, but I can see him becoming an independant.

  36. dnd

    “With the help of local elementary school students, Michelle Obama broke ground for a White House garden and initiated a public campaign to help Americans better understand where their food comes from. ”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/03/20/ST2009032002547.html

    Well, they can probably get a lot of manure to fertilize the garden from Congress 😉

  37. from the link above….”Chefs and farmers have long yearned for a garden on the White House lawn, and they have found a receptive audience in Michelle Obama. Since the inauguration, the first lady has emerged as a vocal proponent of healthful eating.”

    Can’t even imagine how Dubya and Laura feel, night after night, seeing their old home come to life and become a true American symbol once again.

  38. UB they’re too upset about President Obama not wearing his jacket in the Oval Office.

  39. I wonder if Dubya gets sauced and sends early morning emails out of frustration?

  40. I liked that Suze story, thanks for the link. She has recently done an about face on credit card debt, which is really amazing. She is p.o. ed, and isn’t going to take it anymore. Cash is king, credit cards are going to screw you …be prepared.

  41. KO says the KO on twitter is a fake, and Twitter will not do anything about i.

    Good for him. Twitter is moronic, for the most part.

  42. dog's eye view

    like how Blue in Dallas, I think, pointed out that the root of Twitter is twit.

    Concentrate folks. Develop that attention span.

  43. dog's eye view

    Plz check out google.com today.

    It’s a homage to Spring, with the very hungry caterpillar and lots of charm.

    http://www.google.com

    Like their offbeat themes for special days.

  44. I agree UB, I played with twitter for about 36 hours and got very bored with it.

  45. Too funny, this is the “big” story on Hillbuzz today:

    ACTION ITEM: All Hands On Deck! Your help needed to publicize Special Olympics Bowling Challenge to Obama!

    http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/action-item-all-hands-on-deck-your-help-needed-to-publicize-special-olympics-bowling-challenge-to-obama/

  46. Hey Dog, I saw that first thing this morning…I too, always like what Google does with the “important” days

  47. Blue in Dallas is truley one of the most stupid people I’ve ever met in real life, thanks for reminding us! BTW I’ve always wondered about something, you kow Cindy McCain posts all of Sen McCain’s twits, does that make her his tw*t?

  48. Watching Rachel right now, and here’s what I want to know, when are we going to start forcing these mega all too big to fail companies to start splitting up. When I was a kid New York was dominated by about 10 large banks, we now are down to two really, Chase and Citi, and we know what’s happened to Citi!

  49. Albright was great on Bill Maher just now, Keith is going to be on later.

  50. suchachamp

    why take a shot at blueINdallas, brian. because she’s on twitter? didn’t you use twitter yesterday to spread your bile?

  51. suchachamp

    CosmoDeCritic outed your pathetic attempts to spread lies on twitter yesterday. You are busted.

  52. BTW I wasn’t taking a shot at Blue, having broken bread with her I can attest to the fact the woman is an idiot.

  53. Steve

    I find twitter to be very useful. I can text it and update for my followers who know me on a personal basis.

  54. Steve

    Good morning and Happy Equinox, BTW this is Bach’s birthday, so have a little listen today should you find time…

  55. Steve

    Brian,

    VERY briefly surfed in to TM this morning just to see who the “CosmoDeCritic” is that our little troll friend is talking about. Apparently these people are occasionally talking about you still. That’s pretty pathetic.

  56. dog's eye view

    NYTimes: sugar winning back market share against high fructose corn syrup, although medical profession says both are equally bad — an empty calorie is an empty calorie.

    Sugar is Back on Food Labels, This Time as a Selling Point

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/dining/21sugar.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1237640785-z5bPrrEVxLy8iBuhCRp/HA&pagewanted=all

    “From the tomato sauce on a Pizza Hut pie called “The Natural,” to the just-released soda Pepsi Natural, some of the biggest players in the American food business have started, in the last few months, replacing high-fructose corn syrup with old-fashioned sugar.

    ….Blamed for hyperactivity in children and studied as an addictive substance, sugar has had its share of image problems. But the widespread criticism of high-fructose corn syrup — the first lady, Michelle Obama, has said she will not give her children products made with it — has made sugar look good by comparison.

    Most scientists do not share the perception. Though research is still under way, many nutrition and obesity experts say sugar and high-fructose corn syrup are equally bad in excess. But, as is often the case with competing food claims, the battle is as much about marketing as it is about science.”

    ==================

    A sweet morning to all of us.

  57. Obama signs deal for post-presidency book

    “[Obama] signed a deal for a youth-oriented version of his published memoir and a nonfiction book after he leaves office.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iBluujXDLUO5GHqcu60NsMDCRpvwD9715OL00

    Now, here’s a book that will have some legs. I hope that by the time Obama writes it, schools have move from traditional books to Kindle-type books.

  58. Steve

    Good morning UB and DEV

  59. dog's eye view

    For those wondering what the original TV Batman, Adam West, is up to, and you know that you are out there.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2009/03/adam-west-bac-2.html

  60. Steve

    I’m planning lessons and listening to a little Bach and Vivaldi right now….

  61. for the NYT’s link….

    “equally bad in excess.” isn’t that true about almost everything?

    Also article didn’t say if they were comparing refined sugar to HFCS or raw sugar..

    either way it’s interesting, but just like the Low-fat craze and the fiber craze…..it may be misleading to the average Joe, who can’t think for himself.

  62. Good morning ….cloudy and 30 degrees….brrrrrr

  63. Adam west looks pretty good for 80. My daughter is a Batman fanatic…I’ll pass this link on…..Thanks.

    Sounds peaceful Steve….

  64. Postal Service Eyes Big Cuts, Early Retirement

    The Postal Service lost $2.8 billion last year and is facing even larger losses this year, despite a rate increase — to 44 cents for first-class mail — scheduled to take effect May 11.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102195017&ft=1&f=1001

    I think we can all see where this is heading…..

  65. Steve

    a cold first day of Spring here also (it was 25 or so when i ran this morning). It is peaceful, excpet for the fact that i am planning a lesson on World War II

  66. dog's eye view

    chilly here too. Possibly freezing last night, so hoping the 2 plants I’d stuck on the front steps will be OK. Rescued them about sunup but damage might have been done.

    Sunny, though.

    15 miles south, trees with white buds. Not here yet.

  67. dnd

    Suppose to be 70 here today. Snow on Monday. Springtime in the Rockies 😉

  68. dog's eye view

    re sugar: aren’t sweet and salty the first two childhood tastes? And too many ppl never venture too far beyond.

    Could develop a better palate with exposure to ethnic and more natural foods.

    Although a lot of regional American cooking uses way lots of sugar.

    I rarely think corn pudding needs the additional dose.

    And you can often use less in baked goods, but that takes experimenting (and some recipes are not forgiving.)

    nanny: you might have to put up a recipes link.

    Doubly interesting that you are a master baker who cooks for diabetics.

    Lots we could learn.

  69. dnd

    Charles Blow on how Congress critters are using the AIG bonuses outrage to their political advantage.

    “Congress is now seeking to “claw back” the bonuses by taxing them into oblivion. Nice try. I don’t know if it’ll work or hold up in court, but anything involving clawing sounds good.

    Keep working on a solution, but stop trying to manage and manipulate our anger. Stop trying to squelch, mollify and exploit it. Just let it run its course. America needs this moment.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/opinion/21blow.html?ref=opinion

  70. Steve

    I rarely eat sugar but had a bit yesterday for lunch. It picked me up enough to get me through the rest of the day ith the kids…

    Later BCers. Haircut time

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