With Liberty And Justice For All ~ BrianInNYC

I don’t know about you folks but I for one have grown more than a little weary of the entire same-sex-marriage issue. For me this argument was settled a very long time ago (1865) with the ratification of the 14th Amendment and The Equal Protection Clause,

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

No where in the 14th is there an “except for those people” clause. People who attempt to find cover under the argument of “well I don’t think the government should be involved in marriage” fail to grasp the basic principal defined in the 14th Amendment, in the eyes of the law all are equal. As long as the government is in the business of sanctioning marriage of any kind it is a violation of the 14th to feel that one group can be excluded from that right. For those who try to appease “the gays” with civil unions, let me remind you that in 1954 the Supreme Court of the United States (Brown v. Board of Education) stated that “separate but equal” is not consistent with principals set fourth in The Constitution.

End of debate!



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74 responses to “With Liberty And Justice For All ~ BrianInNYC

  1. Good Post Brian! It appears to be a simple issue, with The Constitution firmly and clearly protecting equal rights for everyone.

    I sincerely never understand why some people think that “their opinions” are more important and carry more weight than another human being’s Constitutional rights.

  2. dog's eye view

    sounding like we might see nationwide gay marriage within our lifetimes.

    It seems to me a civil right, once you accept that gay sexuality is innate. It’s not a choice. Getting beyond some people’s religious views and teachings is an additional hardship.

    As you would not discriminate in allowing marriage on the basis of race or eye color or height, neither should you discriminate based on innate sexuality.

    I know this will seem a long time coming to you, Brian, but the relative speed surprises and pleases me. Look at how long some people have been fighting about abortion.

    Suspect people are interacting with gay people in their families and workplace and community and attitudes are changing.

  3. dog's eye view

    And at least we are ahead of Iraq on societal acceptance of gays, among other social measures.

    NYTimes: Iraq’s Newly Open Gays Face Scorn and Murder

    “In the past two months, the bodies of as many as 25 boys and men suspected of being gay have turned up in the huge Shiite enclave of Sadr City, the police and friends of the dead say. Most have been shot, some multiple times. Several have been found with the word “pervert” in Arabic on notes attached to their bodies, the police said.

    …. The chief of a Sadr City police station, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not allowed to speak to reporters, said family members had probably committed most of the Sadr City killings. He played down the role of death squads that had once been associated with the Mahdi Army, the militia that controlled Sadr City until American and Iraqi forces dislodged them last spring.

    “Our investigation has found that these incidents are being committed by relatives of the gays — not just because of the militias,” he said. “They are killing them because it is a shame on the family.”


  4. dnd

    I think it’s curious that marriage is a states rights issue.

  5. dog's eye view

    that’s true; hadn’t thought much on that.

  6. dog's eye view

    Pirates at work. And an “all-American” crew captive.


    TV’s off today, but checked CNN website and, yes, they are already hyperventilating.

    I wonder if we would be seeing pirates from, say, Michigan or some other despairing economy.

    Like if this were the 17th or 18th century, only it’s the 21st, and those “socialist” Canadians and whoever else is traipsing around up north were ferrying their socialist paradise Canadian stuff around in boats.

    We’re not seeing piracy here, out of economic desperation. Just a lot more mass shootings.

    It’s the American way.

  7. I say to all the married people (and those who would like one day to be married) ; please take a step back…..put the shoe on the other foot, and imagine how you would feel if you were not legally allowed to get married.

  8. dog's eye view

    that’s true, Burrito. And why it is so crucial to think of those one does not agree with as “the other” or undeserving for whatever reason. The argument falls apart, otherwise.

  9. Nannymm

    If only it were that easy, Burrito. Unfortunately, those who oppose gay marriage don’t care about the feelings of gay people. They are either religious zealots, pure bigots or both. Most of them are terrified of what they know nothing about; they’re just plain ignorant. There is nothing rational about the opposition to granting full and equal rights to Gay people. Thus, I doubt any appeal to reason will work with them. Gay marriage will have to be forced into law, just as interracial marriage was, by fighting in the courts and state legislatures. But, make no mistake, it will happen; we can see that it is already happening in some of our more progressive states.
    Ultimately, there is no way the the zealots and the bigots can stop this.

  10. greetings from Hackensack, NJ

  11. “Ultimately, there is no way the the zealots and the bigots can stop this.” Nannymm

    I hope you are right.
    Dog, I think when people do that, they are actually exposing their own fears, ignorance and insecurities……but may be totally unaware of the root cause, a social blindness of sorts. (imo)

  12. what’s up in Hackensack, NJ?

  13. I see a certain blog has now sunken to the level of comparing same sex marriage to bestiality. Why am I not surprised?

  14. horsedooty

    It seems that the ship flying a US flag that was hijacked off the coast of Somalia today is now back in the hands of the ship’s crew. One of the 4 hijackers in now in the crews control.

    more here: http://tinyurl.com/cmp4vb

  15. Suze Orman, Keith Olbermann Get GLAAD Awards, Anderson Stays Home in the Closet

    “As you might imagine, Proposition 8 was a hot topic, and the Outstanding TV Journalism Segment award went to Keith Olbermann for his much-YouTubed “Special Comment: Gay Marriage Is a Question of Love.””


  16. Nannymm

    That was one of KO’s best “Special Comments.” But I still like the one where he told Bush to STFU the best. 😀

  17. nannymm

    Rush Limbaugh supports terrorist pirates, as long as they only hold the captain and not the crew. This guy is seriously off his rocker!
    Quote from today’s show:

    ” LIMBAUGH: It’s time for a news update, ladies and gentlemen. And this is about the Maersk Sealand. This — to my eyes, it’s a giant freighter — pretty big cargo ship. It’s the ship that’s been hijacked by Somali pirates.
    Now, we were told, right as the program began, that the ship’s crew had regained control of the ship from the Somali pirates, while the Obama administration was in discussions about how to handle this.
    We have a news update for you on this, ladies and gentlemen.
    The ship’s captain is still being held by the pirates. The crew apparently not under such tight control, but the ship’s captain is still being held captive by the Somali pirates, which is OK. In fact, that’s even cool. The ship’s captain’s a CEO. He’s the leader. He’s the boss. He deserves to be held captive by the pirates. The great unwashed, the crew members, are free. And that’s the way it out to be. But that captain, it’s good that he is still captive of the pirates, because he is a CEO.”

  18. BevnTempe

    Great post, Brian. You already know how I feel about this issue. I especially like “No where in the 14th is there an “except for those people” clause.” You did a good job!

    Acceptance will come, sooner or later, for everyone.

  19. Rush is a whack -job-loony-tune. ( sorry for stating the obvious )

  20. It really is amazing (or maybe not so) just how far this recent election has gone to driving the far right totally over the edge! I like it.

  21. horsedooty


    looks like I was somewhat premature in calling the hijacking off the coast of Somalia. The crew has the ship and the pirates now have the Captain. And Rush is ok with this.

  22. horsedooty

    Oh, Miz Obvious Stater,

    did you listen to either of those youtube links I sent you last night?

  23. Yes I did, I know both those song…the were good…..thanks…. : )

  24. I don’t think you can compare them to Talking Heads… they are both so different and both really authentic and artistic.

  25. Response to NOM’s “Gathering Storm” ad

  26. dnd

    Yeah, I don’t think you’d ever hear The Band sing a song called “Psycho Killer”

    Though “Take Me to the River” is a possibility 😉

  27. DC vote puts gay marriage in front of Congress

    “A preliminary vote by the District of Columbia city council to recognize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere puts the issue on a path to Congress, which has final say over D.C.’s laws.”


  28. so dnd, I think you can have more than one favorite…….now you are making me want to watch the dvd, and it’s in Brooklyn. 😦

    I just saw David Byrne a few months ago – it was awesome.

  29. There’s an interesting momentum from the left that has bubbled to the surface since the election.

  30. dnd -your girlfriend looks good in this video, I am sure you would make a fab couple.

    ” you start a conversation you can’t even finish”…..
    …..what’s not to love?

    Bri, you think , like a inner power? a confidence? a lack of fear? something along those lines?

  31. A seizing of the moment UB, this is our moment, it’s been a long time in coming.

  32. David Rivkin really gives me the creeps

  33. I think that you are right, and funny that the young voters, (I am thinking of mine own), they just see it as the way it should be, they really do not have the knowledge of how horrible things have been.

    Their first presidential election they witnessed the whole thing play out with a woman, and African American and a Grampa……

    This is a good time…..we shall, as you say, seize the moment.

  34. Rivkin =creep personified….
    Joan Walsh did well, atta girl!

  35. dnd

    Sra Burrito,
    While you’re at the dvd store, rent “The Last Waltz.” You’ll thank me.

    In the mean time, there’s the Levon Helm Band:

  36. It’s very friggin weird, all these repugs keep spewing the same crap and thinking it’s going to stick.

  37. Hitchens is a creep too, but at least he’s a smart one!

  38. thanks dnd,
    I love all music, when I was really young I would listen to music with my Dad, the big band era….lol….that was funny, we played “name that tune” together….I can’t sing to save my life…. I love talent….as my daughter says “talent is sexy.”
    I don’t really believe the repugs have anything deeper to draw upon…..I know some personally, and seriously… they are fairly one demensional…

  39. I don’t know why the talking heads on MSNBC are so bent out of shape over Barney Frank’s response to that student. The kid is at Harvard, he should have had his facts in order and not just a list of talking points. Frank did to that kid what any good prof at a top university would do.

  40. Obviously she’s homophobic, look at that haircut on her!


  41. lolol…..that haircut….lolol…..with that she’s not only homophobic….but also anti-sex….lol

  42. dnd

    Sra Burritio,
    My Dad use to sing along with Dean Martin records, and I thought he sounded better than Dino.

    Me, I can’t carry a tune in a bucket…

  43. People who can sing don’t understand, what it’s like for people like us…in second grade my music teacher told me to lip sync……sad but true…. 🙂


  44. You were just meant to be a back up girl UB.

  45. I guess you don’t want to hear about how me, Bruce Carillo, and Bobby Baker brought the house down singing “I’m Getting Married In The Morning” in white dinner jackets at the school annual chorus whatever it was.

  46. horsedooty


    Great song, Deep Elum Blues. That is an old Huddy Leadbetter tune. (Leadbelly) At the turn of the 20th century, Elm Street in Dallas, Tx was the big street in the black ghetto there. All the pawn shops and dives and prostitutes were located on Elm St. That is what they are singing about in that song ever since.

    BTW, what is the name of the band that Amy Helms fronts? She is Levon’s daughter.

  47. dnd

    “Hitchens is a creep too, but at least he’s a smart one!”

    I think Hitchens is a hoot. He can show up drunk/hungover and still eviscerate his opponents who lean on opinion and talking points rather than historical facts.

    I don’t often agree with Hitchens, but I’m smart enough not to argue with him 😉

  48. I’m glad he’s on the side of the secularists!

  49. Elm Street…Deep Elum Blues….omg…..Doots, I have not thought about that part of Dallas for a long time….I lived there twice….”deep ellen” was exactly what we called the area ….are you to going to Deep Elum?


  50. Not as well as I could in high school, 35 years of smoking has left me a tad croaky! But I was one of the male leads in my HS choir, hard to believe I know.

  51. Brian…

    You know better than to believe in the Constitution, don’t you?

    It only applies to the Religious Right and only when its in line with their beliefs.

    Not yours, mine or the American Peoples.

    Sorry, I’m just being sarcastic.

    The fact of the matter is that Rushpublicans don’t believe in anything except there Bible verses they like to push and use as excuses to deny others there personal beliefs.

    When someone starts spouting well the Bible says to you next time ask them if they have any daughters. If they say yes tell them that the Bible says they can sell them. Then ask them how much they want for their daughter since the Bible allows them to sell their children.

    See how fast they get pissed off at you. LOL…LOL…LOL…

    Good post, however until those who violated the constitution are held accountable for their actions we will remain a Nation with no Constitution or Rule of Law.

    God Bless.

  52. dnd

    My favorite Leadbelly tune was “Goodnight Irene”

    Loved “Midnight Special” too.

    I think John Fogerty did too…

  53. Brian…

    Does that resemble you. Ha, Ha.

    God Bless.

  54. horsedooty


    re:not being able to sing.

    I know a guy that is in a band in Austin, TX that is such a bad guitar player that generally the sound guy does not even turn his direct box on when they play concerts. He is clueless. Great writer and I think he owns the name of the band. Name of the band is the Austin Lounge Lizards. In this video the guy I am talking about is standing to the right of the guy singing. “Hey, Lil Minivan”


  55. Well since I don’t have cable I have to wait until 10pm to watch K.O. on the internet. If I catch his show I then listen to Rachael at work whilst I’m doing what I get paid to do.

    If I don’t catch him then I have too watch and listen to both of them as I work.

    Hi five to K.O. for his award he deserves it.

    God Bless.

  56. horsedooty

    this is the link I was trying to post for the Austin Lounge Lizards.

  57. Did anyone check the link out I left for the Conficker Worm?

    And if you did was any of you infected?

    I ran it at work and the Trend pic wouldn’t show. We have had a lot of pc’s at the schools infected with it and it has been a mess for IT cleaning it off of all the machines.

    They had a special script from Trend that I ran and it cleaned me up so that the next time I ran it all pictures showed.

    I ran a cleaner from Bit Defender here at home and also the Norton remover as well since I run Norton Anti Virus.

    Both came up clean. I only use the AV from Norton and have had no issues with viruses or worms with them. So I stick with what works for me even though there are plenty of people who don’t like Norton.

    Anyway just thought I would ask. I left it over of course on they who can not be named and since no one thanked me for thinking about them or my trying to help them out I figure if they have it then tough Sh**.

    Well my TV show Criminal Minds comes on soon and I may be floating back and forth as I watch it. One day they will have a show about the psycho’s Bush\Cheney one day and I will truly enjoy that one as they bring them down.

    God Bless.

  58. 8:56 PM Eastern, PUMA pundit spotting, people shield your eyes.

  59. ……………………….is it safe?………………….

  60. horsedooty

    one more then I need to go feed the dogs.

    Austin Lounge Lizards and their take on Brain Damage from Pink Floyd.

  61. Gov. Pawlenty is getting backed into a corner and he knows it too.

  62. dog's eye view

    Good morning all.

    Love this Talking Points Memo photo gallery of President Obama’s visit to Baghdad.


  63. dnd

    Oops. Something’s messed up with wordpress. Have to wait for Brian to figure it out…

  64. dnd

    Ok, it’s fixed.


    Must be lack of caffeine. Or the full moon 😉

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