The Trending Toward Socialism in America? ~ Nannymm

According to a new Rasmussen poll, just 53 percent of Americans believe that Capitalism is preferable to Socialism. Even more stunning, among the under 30 crowd, 33 percent prefer Socialism, while only 37 percent say Capitalism is better.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/just_53_say_capitalism_better_than_socialism
These statistics, if accurate, show that the younger generation is far more liberal than their parents and grandparents. But the  question I had when I first read this poll was, “Why? Why would young people be leaning towards Socialism when we here in the US have so little first hand experience with it and there is no real Socialist movement going on?” So I decided to do a little digging. The following articles gave me an interesting perspective.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-04-11/socialist-shocker/full/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/14/AR2009041402556.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter
In the first, Benjamin Sarlin sums it up well:
“The biggest danger to conservative values in America may be that Republicans are a walking “opposite day.” What they praise becomes radioactive and what they decry quickly becomes the hot new thing. It’s not just socialism that’s gaining in the polls due to the GOP’s cratering popularity. Many of the right’s biggest fears are becoming self-fulfilling prophecies thanks to their backfiring attempts at activism. One recent
poll, for example, showed a major increase in atheism and agnosticism, which have had their popularity numbers nearly double since 1990. It turns out that when incredibly unpopular politicians present elections as a false choice between god-fearing fundamentalists and godless heathens, people start thinking they just might not be so religious after all. And as for gay marriage, if conservative groups keep running ads like this one, gay marriage might become law all over the red states within months.
In the second one, Harold Meyerson points at that while the current Wall Street meltdown hasn’t helped the image of Capitalism, there has to be more to the rise in Socialism’s appeal. He goes on to discuss some of the possible explanations, but concludes with this:
“Rush and his boys are doing what Gene Debs and his comrades never really could. In tandem with Wall Street, they are building socialism in America.”
Maybe Rush and Co. are good for something after all. I mean, a little European style Socialism in America just might be a good thing. May I suggest we start with healthcare?

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93 responses to “The Trending Toward Socialism in America? ~ Nannymm

  1. Nanny, in honor of your thread I’ve changed my avitar for the day!

    😆

  2. nannymm

    I don’t see a change, Brian.

  3. Clear your cache and reload.

  4. nannymm

    No go, Brian.

  5. try it again, it’s working fine here.

  6. nannymm

    I get the new one in IE but not Firefox. Oh well! I give up.

  7. horsedooty

    firefox is loading the new avatar here after I cleared the cashe and came back here.

  8. nannymm

    Must be something weird going on here, Doots, coz I even restarted my pc and still can’t get it.

  9. roadster

    what’s a PUMA? i keep seeing references here, and had to ask

  10. nannymm

    Hi Roadster. PUMA stands for “Party Unity My Ass.” It is a group formed by Hillary Clinton supporters after she lost the Dem primary to Obama. PUMAs generally oppose Obama and have little good to say about him. Most are still angry and bitter that Hillary lost to Obama.

  11. PUMA are former supporters of Hillary Clinton’s bid for the Dem nomination who went nuts when she lost.

    See the following:

  12. nannymm

    BTW, Welcome, Roadster. Feel free to jump in and join the conversation.

  13. Yeah, put your feet up and set a spell.

  14. roadster

    I don’t understand the point of this post. Are your saying socialism is a good thing? I think it is, and that we’ve been trending that way for a long time, for a good reason. Capitalism is all about elitism. America is all about egalitarianism. Bring it on.

  15. roadster

    Oh, ok i get the PUMA reference then. Seems really yesterday. Why bother? That’s nothing but history over and done with. Even Hillary doesn’t care anymore. Why do you?

  16. I don’t think it’s an either or thing roadster. Most modern western economies are hybrids of both system.

  17. Making fun of them amuses me roadster, I’m shallow that way!

  18. nannymm

    I’m all for some socialist ideas, roadster. My point with this post, however, is to point out the irony in what Rush Limbaugh and his ilk are doing. All their railing against Obama and socialism seems to be having the exact opposite effect from what they intend. While they are attempting to frighten people about the “evils” of socialism, the more they scream and denounce it, the more people, especially young people, seem to think socialism may be a good thing.

  19. roadster

    Wiki has no reference to PUMA other than this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PUMA_(electric_car)

    What does it stand for in political circles? Never heard it before.

  20. nannymm

    To put it another way: The Rush crowd is accusing Obama of promoting socialism while they themselves may be more responsible for the trending toward it than Obama is.

  21. nannymm

    It stands for Party Unity My Ass.

  22. roadster

    Thanks nannymm, but looking at that site I see it hasn’t been updated since June of last year. So why bother, if they aren’t?

  23. Speaking of PUMA:

    Hillary took in $5.6M in 1st quarter

    The report shows that Clinton has only one vendor left to pay off: pollster Mark Penn. Her campaign paid his firm $3 million in the first quarter, but still owes it $2.3 million.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21298.html

  24. roadster

    Oh ok, if this is just a hate Hillary site, guess I’ll “move on.” Hope you have fun living in the past. At least she and Barack aren’t, thank God.

  25. nannymm

    It isn’t an organized movement anymore, roadster. It’s more of a mindset by those who are still very angry and bitter about the outcome of the election. Many PUMAs still post on the site’s forums.
    http://www.pumaparty.com/vb/

    Personally, I don’t care what they say. They lost, and as you say, why bother? But, they do rear their heads occasionally and can be quite annoying.

  26. nannymm

    Hate Hillary? NO WAY!! I love her!

  27. nannymm

    I had a hard time emotionally when she lost to Obama. It hurt! I had supported her wholeheatedly. But, I moved on and supported Obama because I’m a die hard Democrat and Obama was our nominee. And besides, his policies are very close to Hillary’s. I couldn’t be happier that she is now Secretary of State and that she and Obama work so well together.
    We are all pro-Hillary here and think she is doing a fantastic job as SOS. You won’t find any Hillary bashing here, I can assure you, roadster!

  28. Hillary is a loyal Democrat, PUMA has nothing to do with Hillary.

  29. You’re up late, eh Nanny? Great post. I’m a “democratic socialist” ala Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and so many European countries. Socialism isn’t to be fearful of but embraced as it is exactly the culmination of Hobbes’ notion of the social contract articulated several centuries ago. The Soviets gave socialism a bad name and all of the fulminating against the Soviet Union has left the impression that only capitalism can work for us. We have so many aspects of socialism in our daily lives that most people wouldn’t even recognize it as such: public transportation; postal service; social security; and a lot of financial props that make it seem like the capitalist system really works. I agree with your last statements about the need, however, for the ultimate socialist concept of a national health service. It’s long overdue. That’s for sure. Again, great post.

  30. nannymm

    Thanks, eprof2. I consider myself to be leaning socialist. As you point out, there are many socialist aspects to our society. And personally, I’d like to see more. Health care is a good place to start, but we need to re-think our labor policies and social safety net programs as well.
    Yep, I’m up late for me. My kid is gone for a couple days so I get to sleep in for a change. 🙂

  31. I’m off to bed peeps, night.

  32. roadster

    Nannym: “You won’t find any Hillary bashing here, I can assure you”

    I ‘ve just read the archives of this place, Nannymm. You must be kidding. Granted, most of you seem to be reasonable, but not Brian In NYC. The guy seems obsessed with bashing her. And best I can tell he runs this blog. That’s fine if you guys are fine with it, or prefer to live in denial about it. I’ve got better things to do.

  33. nannymm

    Brian doesn’t run this blog. We’re an egalitarian blog; we all share equally in the running of it. And, may I suggest you re-read the archives. Look at Brian’s posts during Hillary and Obama’s recent trips to Europe. He is effusive in his praise for Hillary, practically gushing, in fact.

  34. horsedooty

    here is a small update on a post I made a while back about the Bristol Bay and Pebble Mines in Alaska and wild salmon population.

    http://tinyurl.com/cuqlft

  35. BevnTempe

    Since some of us are on Social Security and Medicare, we are already practicing socialism. I like it. If and when health care is revised, a little more socialism will take over our country. People balk at the word, but are agreeable with its benefits.

  36. Steve

    Rick Perry needs help

    http://digg.com/d1opEF

    Morning folks. The tea was a little weak yesterday. It needed more bags.

  37. dnd

    I think if you took a poll and asked people to define socialism and capitalism, most would fail 😉

    It’s my belief that the right is trotting out “socialist” because using “liberal” as a pejorative has lost it’s punch.

    But a very good point Nannymm, the uber right wingnuts may have their base, but they alienate everybody else.

  38. dnd

    BTW, as someone who’s worked in and for the government, I’m an unabashed capitalist. Many government programs are remarkably unproductive and ineffective.

    That said there are some areas that government is most appropriate to fund and best poised to manage. Like health care.

  39. horsedooty

    Rick Perry is soon to be the ex-Governor of Texas. I think it is Kay Granger (now a US House of Representative member) that is wanting to come back home and run for Governor. She is much more popular than Rick (good hair) Perry.

  40. horsedooty

    sorry I mentioned the wrong woman. It is Kay Bailey Hutchison. I tend to get them confused.

  41. dnd

    Steve,
    Rick Perry’s Texas teabagging made the national news!

    I bet there are a lot of Texans wishing Kinky Friedman had won the election 😉

  42. dnd you all smiles listening to the prez right now?

  43. dnd

    You bet. Obviously the administration has been reading our posts on high speed rail.

  44. horsedooty

    dnd,

    I am not too sure Kinky would be a better solution to what Texas has now. Kinky is a good funny guy but his solutions are very immature, IMO.

  45. McCains Lend a Hand to Log Cabin Republicans

    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/04/15/mccains-lend-a-hand-to-log-cabin-republicans.html

    If you look closely you can see my flesh crawling as I post this!

  46. Jeff Zucker, Top NBC Brass Concerned About CNBC’s “Conservative,” “Anti-Obama” Image: Report

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/jeff-zucker-top-nbc-brass_n_187681.html

  47. In keeping with today’s “pinko” theme I’ve changed the header pic to something a little more “color coordinated”.

  48. dnd

    Sad day for football: John Madden retires.

    Maybe they can get Frank Caliendo to replace him 😉

  49. Poll: Minnesotans Want Coleman To Concede, Franken To Be Seated

    By a 63%-37% margin, voters say that Coleman should concede the race, rather than continue to appeal. After being reminded by the pollster that Minnesota currently has only one Senator, they say by a 59%-41% margin that Franken should be seated immediately, rather than allow the seat to stay vacant. And by a 59%-41% margin, they say that Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty should sign a certificate of election.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/poll-minnesotans-want-coleman-to-concede-franken-to-be-seated.php?ref=fp2

  50. Pelosi on Tea Parties: “We Call it Astroturf”

  51. nannymm

    Good morning, all!

  52. nannymm

    That’s PINKO commie to you!

  53. dnd

    You guys need to read Marx (Karl, not Groucho). His thought was that communism fixed what was wrong with socialism, ergo commies aren’t socialists.

  54. Views of Income Taxes Among Most Positive Since 1956

    PRINCETON, NJ — A new Gallup Poll finds 48% of Americans saying the amount of federal income taxes they pay is “about right,” with 46% saying “too high” — one of the most positive assessments Gallup has measured since 1956. Typically, a majority of Americans say their taxes are too high, and relatively few say their taxes are too low.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/117433/Views-Income-Taxes-Among-Positive-1956.aspx

  55. horsedooty

    here is more on Madden retiring.

    click here this is a test on formatting,

  56. horsedooty

    lets try that again.

    click here

  57. horsedooty

    this is fun.

    here is what happened last night between the Texas Rangers baseball club and the Orioles club. 2nd baseman Ian Kinsler (Texas Rangers) hit for the cycle (single double triple and home run) and went 6 for 6.

    click here

  58. The Mexican president’s remarks about the assault weapons ban is going to drive the right wing nut jobs crazy!

  59. A little sappy, but cute:

  60. nannymm

    Thanks, Brian. That was sweet.

  61. Hey Nanny fantastic OPED! And thanks everyone for visiting my new project. I’ve had fun with this little blog. I don’t expect many postings, but I’d sure love for you guys to critique me and offer ideas sometimes. Love ya!

  62. nannymm

    Thanks, Sheila! I just checked out your blog. It looks great! *applauds*

  63. Thanks Nanny! And Brian the Backchannel is looking gorgeous and a cut above the rest.

  64. dnd

    Octomom seeks to trademark “octomom.”

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0415091octo1.html

    Well, um, technically, she’s a tetradecamom…

  65. dnd

    “COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (CBS4) ―

    Captain Chesley Sullenberger was awarded the Academy’s top award for airmanship Wednesday at the U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs.”

    http://cbs4denver.com/local/chesley.sullenberger.colorado.2.986046.html

  66. dnd

    Shelia’s boyfriend, Robert Reich, on tax day:

    “No one likes to pay taxes, so tax day typically attracts a range of right-wing Republicans, kooks, and demagogues, all of whom tell us how awful we have it. Here’s a short citizen’s guide (that is, a citizen’s guide that’s short rather than a guide for short citizens) responding to the predictable charges:”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/a-short-citizens-guide-to_b_187485.html

  67. dnd the teabag movement has nothing to do with taxes. What I resent most about these people is their dishonesty about what they are all about.

  68. BTW if you think those people are upset now just wait and see what happens when the assault weapons ban comes up, and it’s going to come up. There is a lot of pressure building in that area.

  69. dnd

    Matt Taibbi’s thoughts on the teabag protests:

    “I have to say, I’m really enjoying this whole teabag thing. It’s really inspiring some excellent daydreaming. For one thing, it’s brought together the words teabag and Michelle Malkin for me in a very powerful, thrilling sort of way. Not that I haven’t ever put those two concepts together before, but this is the first time it’s happened while in the process of reading her actual columns.”

    http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/

  70. dnd

    https://clistersbackchannel.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/the-trending-toward-socialism-in-america-nannymm/#comment-23226

    “10 Most Offensive Tea Party Signs ”

    When I looked at the photos, I had to wonder how many of the people at the teabag protest actually pay taxes.

  71. “Tea Bag” and Malkin….I love it!

  72. Here’s some Denver news for you:

    Judy Shepard named Honorary Chair of Coronation XXXVI
    Four Points by Sheraton Denver Southeast
    April 18, 2009

    http://www.matthewshepard.org/site/PageServer

  73. dnd

    Brian put Shelia’s personal chef blog on the Personal Blog Roll. Check it out!

  74. Garofalo was spot on just now on Countdown.

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