Assault Weapons, can someone explain to me why anyone needs to own one? ~ BrianInNYC

 

Assault-weapon attacks on rise in Miami

MIAMI — The spray of bullets that killed a police officer and hurt three others this week came from something increasingly common on this city’s streets: a high-powered assault weapon, fast becoming the gun of choice for gang members and violent criminals.

Call for assault-weapons ban in wake of officers’ deaths

A week after four Oakland police officers were gunned down by a parolee with a semiautomatic weapon, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and City Councilman Jack Weiss on Friday called for the federal government to reinstate a ban on assault weapons. Before heading to the Bay Area Friday morning for the funerals of the Oakland police officers, the mayor and councilman called for the renewal of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which prevented the sale of most semiautomatic weapons. Officials estimate that one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty is killed with an assault weapon.

Gunman Arrested In Niagara Shooting Deaths Due In Court

Marinette County Sheriff Jim Kanikula said nine young adults, five from Michigan and four from Wisconsin, had gathered near a train bridge on the Menominee River Thursday evening when the gunman came out of the woods and shot the four.

Tiffany Pohlson, 17, Anthony Spigarelli, 18, and Bryan Mort, 19, were killed. Daniel Louis Gordon, 20, was wounded. All were from Michigan.

Cop Deaths Show Struggle Of Keeping Felons Gunless

Authorities said the ease with which a convicted felon obtained the assault weapon he used to murder Oakland police officers points to the challenges of keeping serious firepower off the city’s murder-plagued streets.

 

 
 
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48 responses to “Assault Weapons, can someone explain to me why anyone needs to own one? ~ BrianInNYC

  1. More grist for the right wing wacko mill:

  2. Bob

    Banning assault weapons will not impact criminal use of such weapons. If you are a criminal engaged in criminal activity you do not care if any gun or weapon is banned, because the ban is only adhered to by people who obey the law.

    I have an idea. Why don’t we keep criminals in prison instead of releasing them to prey on innocent people and create more victims of violent crime? People sentenced to prison in Ca. serve 1/2 the time of the sentence people read about in the papers. It seems to me, to answer your immediate question, law abiding folks need firepower to protect themselves against criminals, because it is painfully obvious the police alone cannot. Weapons are only instruments. The people who use them to terrorize civilized society with should be banned from having access to any weapons. You accomplish that by keeping them in a secure environment. Last time I checked it works well when they are in prison.

  3. We don’t have enough room for all the people we want to put in jail now. And you really ignored my question. Why does anyone need to own an assault weapon? How is society well served by us being awash in a weapons that can shoot 1,100 rounds a minute, or whatever absurd number it is.

  4. Rezdog

    I think we need to build a prison next to Bob’ house. I’m sure he won’t mind.

  5. YesBob

    Who cares what questions you ask, Brian. You are an idiot talking to yourself and your tiny harem of lap dogs.

  6. Bob sounds like you’ve been spending a tad too much time hanging out in school clock towers.

  7. Rezdog

    Yeah but, I wonder if Bob can dance like a brotha.. lol

  8. Isn’t the correct spelling “brutha”?

  9. horsedooty

    dnd,

    I googled Capt Bill McDonald and found this line in a review of a book about him:

    ““Weiss’ book sorts truth from legend about a man credited for one of the Rangers’ prime myths, the ‘One Riot, One Ranger’ story.”–Mike Cox, author of The Texas Rangers: Wearing the Cinco Peso, 1821-1900”

    you can see the page by clicking here

  10. dnd

    Doots,
    I was referring to “No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that’s in the right and keeps on a-comin’.” which some say became the Texas Rangers motto.

    http://www.texasranger.org/halloffame/McDonald_Jesse.htm

  11. dnd

    Bob brings out a good point. The prisons are overcrowded, most notably thanks to non-violent drug offenders.

    But an armed populous has a dismal record of protecting the innocent. Why? Most people can’t hit the broad side of a barn with a pistol, particularly in a panic situation. Automatic weapons may increase the odds of hitting the bad guy, but other innocent folks at the scene as well.

    As Bat Masterson said, and the Navy SEALS proved this week: “Take your time and don’t miss.”

  12. dnd

    I-70 is still closed between Morrison and Vail. National Guard deployed to assist those stranded when that stretch was closed.

    http://www.9news.com/

    Those Guard members are probably happy to be helping here rather than the 400 that will be deployed for Iraq today.

  13. dog's eye view

    I think you’ve just hit on a public health and safety issue with this column, Brian. Agree with the right to bear arms — for self protection and sporting — but assault weapons do not belong in the protected class.

    I’m concerned about the rise in multiple victim shootings we are seeing, many with economic despair as one motivator.

  14. horsedooty

    here is a video of the kennel that bred Bo Obama. That’s right Bo is a Texan by birth. To see the video
    click

    here

    You will probably have to find the vid but look for the box that says “First dog came from local breeder”

  15. dnd

    So Bo barks with a Texas twang?

    “Woof-woof, y’all.” 😉

  16. nannymm

    I wonder if he can do the Texas two-step?

  17. I hope there isn’t a successionist in the White House!

  18. “That’s right Bo is a Texan by birth.”

    We won’t hold it against him!

    🙂

  19. Steve

    ruff ruff

    tiniest of lapdogs reporting for duty

  20. Steve

    If Bob is not the same person as Yesbob then I hope Bob comes back. Bob, I agree with your sentiments regarding gun ownership though assault weapons, well, thats a bit of a strecth….

    If Yesbob is the same person who usually comes in here and leaves these kinds of posts, then yesbob threw a mean drunk last night there in DC.

    I imagine yesbob is the same man as roadster or giveitupfolks. Pretty sad.

  21. Steve I made sure to limit this thread to only assault weapons as to avoid a full out 2nd battle!

  22. nannymm

    To answer your question, Brian, no one needs assault weapons. They should be banned. Even most law enforcement officers support a ban on them.

  23. nannymm

    “I made sure to limit this thread to only assault weapons as to avoid a full out 2nd battle!”

    Since when do you try to avoid battles? 😉

  24. Well Steve and I have already had this battle nanny, I think that was before you we both knew you. It wasn’t pretty, of course I was right and that was hard on Steve, but we’ve moved on!

  25. Steve

    Yes Brian, I am your lapdog

  26. Steve

    Brian thinks the pen is mightier than the gun.

  27. Steve

    the garden calls troops.

    Hopefully the liquor cabinet will get locked up around the DC area tonight.

    Holla

  28. *pats the top of Steve’s head* good doggy!

  29. nannymm

    I’m surprised there is any liquor left in that cabinet.

  30. dnd

    Nannymm,
    Banning assault weapon sales in the U.S. while a good idea, will really be only be an inconvenience. Criminals who really want one will be able to find AK-47’s, the only thing the Rooskies ever made that was any good. Way better than the M4/M16.

  31. “Criminals who really want one will be able to find AK-47’s”

    D that hardly justifies not banning them. And while it’s true if someone is intent on getting an assault weapon they will be able to do so. However I think an all out ban on these weapons would go a long way in stopping the Columbine type of killings that are plaguing our society.

  32. horsedooty

    I suppose one could say that the weapons used in the Columbine Massacre could be called assault weapons. The pistols were clip style and fired more than 6 rounds. The rest of the guns were shotguns.

    This is from wiki on the weapons used:
    “Firearms

    In the months prior to the attacks, Harris and Klebold acquired two 9 mm firearms and two 12-gauge shotguns. A rifle and the two shotguns were bought in what was perhaps a straw purchase in December, 1998 by a friend, Robyn Anderson, who had purchased the shotguns at the Tanner Gun Show in December, in private sales from individual(s).[40] Harris and Klebold later bought a handgun from a friend, Mark Manes for $500. Manes was jailed after the massacre for selling a handgun to a minor,[41] as was Philip Duran, who had introduced the duo to Manes.[42]

    With instructions from the Internet, they also built 99 improvised explosive devices of various designs and sizes. They also sawed the barrels and butts off their shotguns in order to make them easier to conceal.[4] The two perpetrators committed numerous felony violations of state and federal law, including the National Firearms Act and the Gun Control Act of 1968, even before the massacre began.

    Harris carried a 12 gauge Savage-Springfield 67H pump-action shotgun (Serial No. A232432) and a Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9 mm semi-automatic rifle with thirteen 10-round magazines, fired 96 times. Harris’s other weapon, the shotgun, was fired a total of 25 times. Harris committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with his shotgun.

    Klebold carried a 9 mm Intratec Tec-9 Semi-automatic handgun manufactured by Navegar, Inc. with one 52-, one 32-, and one 28-round magazine. He also carried a 12 gauge Stevens 311D double barreled sawed-off shotgun (Serial No. A077513). Klebold’s primary weapon was the Tec-9 handgun, which was fired a total of 55 times. Klebold would later commit suicide via a shot to the left temple with the Tec-9.”

    None of the weapons were fully automatic which I believe is what determines it to be an assault weapon.

  33. horsedooty

    While googling the Columbine story I found this story here

  34. In truth doots I really don’t see much difference between assault weapons, semi automatic, or fully automatic. To me it’s splitting hairs.

  35. dnd

    Brian, the difference between a semi and fully automatic is 10-15 times the firepower.

  36. Yes I get that, my point being from my view point for the terms of this debate it’s splitting hairs.

  37. Aaron

    Have you ever heard of a three gun competition? It’s a sport so while your calling for a ban on these firearms, that the 2nd Amendment says we have the right to own, why don’t you ban baseballs too.

  38. dnd

    Brian, the difference between a non-semi and a semi is possibly a difference of twice the fire power because of the time needed to cock the firearm. The difference between a semi and fully automatic, as I mentioned above is dramatically different. So it’s not splitting hairs.

  39. Mom, baseball, apple pie, and assault weapons, that’s what America means to me!

  40. And the second amendment doesn’t say you have the right to carry an assault weapon anymore that it says you have the right to carry a bazooka or a shoulder mounted rocket launcher.

  41. dnd

    The second amendment right to bear arms now applies to Michelle Obama’s ability to wear sleeveless dresses. 😉

  42. I’m all for those arms being bared.

  43. The reason no one answers your question is because it is an invalid one.

    What determines “need”?

    It is not your place to decide what I do or do not need…just as it is not my place to determine your needs. The question is irrelevant as it is dependent upon false logic.

    The only pertinent questions to this issue are: Are the semi-automatic rifles commonly misleadingly referred to as “assault weapons” a significant contributor to crime? Would banning them…even assuming that any ban could be 100% effective (an impossibility if history is any judge)…have a significant impact on crime or homicide?

    The answer to both of those questions is “no”.

    Yes, there are some very high profile incidents involving these types of rifles. There are some 14,000 + homicides in this country every year…so many that hardly any make any news reports outside the local areas in which they occur.

    But the few times that these rifles are used in crime…everyone hears about them. It’s exactly BECAUSE they are so rarely used in crime that makes the instances where they are newsworthy.

    Some numbers to back up these facts:

    According to the Uniform FBI Crime Reports, in 2007 (the last year for which a final report has been issued), rifles were the least common weapon used to commit homicides. Shotguns (3.07%), Knives and other cutting instruments (12.11%), “other weapons” (14.13%) and even “Hands and feet” (5.76%) were used more commonly to commit homicide than ANY KIND of rifle (3.03%), let alone the subset of semi-automatic rifles known as “assault weapons”.

    In short, whether there is a “need” to own them or not is irrelevant. Even a successful, complete and total ban on the semi-automatic rifles misleadingly referred to as “assault weapons” would have a statistically insignificant impact on homicide.

    The only reason that “assault weapons” receive the attention they do is because the anti-gun lobby has deemed them easier to vilify and demonize than other types of firearms. In the words of VPC Founder and Executive Director Josh Sugarmann:

    “Assault weapons…menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.”

    The vilification of this subset of rifles, which are owned and used for lawful purposes by millions of Americans every day, is nothing more than a political ploy. And, in my humble opinion, attempting to exploit the spilled blood of innocent victims in an effort to advance a political agenda is shameful.

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