The Cheney/C.I.A. Conundrum ~ dnd

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Last week it was reported that former Vice President Dick Cheney ordered the C.I.A. not to report a Top Secret program to Congress, apparently in violation of the National Security Act of 1947.

Defenders say that the activities of the program did not rise to the level required to inform Congress.  If that’s the case why did Cheney order them not to report it to Congress?

Defenders also say that there are exceptions in the act, citing “to the extent consistent with due regard for the protection from unauthorized disclosure of classified information relating to sensitive intelligence sources and methods or other exceptionally sensitive matters.”  While this may be a lame argument (there are members of Congress who have or could be granted the necessary clearances), again if this was the case, why did Cheney feel the necessity to order the C.I.A. not to report it to Congress?

Finally, defenders say that Eric Holder will threaten the security of the U.S. by putting C.I.A. agents in fear for their actions.  This is a straw man.  The issue is not about the C.I.A., it’s about if Cheney broke the law.

These defenses don’t pass the smell test.

The Obama administration doesn’t want to deal with this.  They understand this would cause a media frenzy, and Congress — always wanting to get in front of a TV camera — will be distracted from dealing with major issues like the economy, health care and climate change.

Hence the conundrum.

Epilogue.  The Associated Press reports that this was a secret program to kill Al-Qaeda leaders.  The say the program has been in the planning stage since 2001 and cost over a million dollars.  Eight years!  What the hell was the plan?  Wait for the Al-Qaeda leaders to die of old age?

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40 responses to “The Cheney/C.I.A. Conundrum ~ dnd

  1. AmeRICANInSURGEnt

    “The issue is not about the C.I.A. it’s about if Cheney broke the law.”

    Lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,..”if”..,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol..whew..that was funny. Ummm yeah,lets all spend some time trying to figure this out,if Cheney lied.

    Good morning BCB.

    Are you for or against mandatory swine flu vaccine?

    Are you on board with H.R.1207?

  2. Morning peeps

    Here’s what I don’t get, why would anyone feel the need to keep secret a program to kill Bin Laden and Co. secret? Something isn’t kosher here. “Wait for the Al-Qaeda leaders to die of old age?” Good line d!

    Ok I’ll bite mandatory swine flu vaccines?

  3. nannymm

    Excellent post, dnd. And that final line was perfect.
    As far as a swine flu vaccine, AI, there is no talk of it being mandatory; in fact, it is highly unlikely that there will even be enough vaccine for all those who want it. Furthermore, the vaccine is still in development. Testing is due to start soon. At this point, we don’t even know if there will be a vaccine. If there is one, I plan to get it.

  4. eProf2

    Greetings from the desert:

    You make some very good points, dnd. Didn’t we put Osama bin Laden on social security about a year ago? Yep, old age is creeping up on al Qaeda for sure.

    Unless the Obama administration and Democrats get some spine on these “crimes against humanity” BushCo will simply sit back and enjoy their millions and build their libraries while the rest of us will contend with our old age and failing economy.

  5. nannymm

    This is for you and Bev, eprof. Your senators are either stoned or stupid. Or both….

    A Republican proposal to halt spending on federal stimulus projects has prompted a partisan dustup this week in Arizona, where defeated GOP presidential candidate John McCain has waded into the fight with his old Democratic rival, Barack Obama.

    The conflict began after Arizona’s junior senator, Republican Jon Kyl, who has called President Obama’s economic recovery plan ineffective, wrote on his Senate website last week that the government should “cancel the rest of the stimulus spending.” Kyl repeated the suggestion during a talk show appearance Sunday.

    The Obama administration responded Monday with letters from four Cabinet secretaries to the state’s GOP governor, Jan Brewer, outlining the transportation, housing, education and other projects that would be canceled in Arizona if stimulus spending came to a halt.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/07/15/obama_gop_pick_stimulus_fight.html?hpid=moreheadlines

  6. AmeRICANInSURGEnt

    Hi Nanny,actually there is lots of talk about mandatory vaccinations. It was announced that it may happen in the U.K. but so far 60% said they would not accept it. Same in Austrailia. Check out this headline concerning New Mexico ,also check out this clip from 60 Minutes after vaccines were given in 1976 for the last bout of swine flu.

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/157318.php

  7. dnd

    Upon reflection, what the Obama administration faces is a dilemma. The defense of what Cheney did is the conundrum.

  8. AmeRICANInSURGEnt

    Here’s another piece out of the London Times.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6694046.ece

  9. dnd

    AI,
    I’ve got an idea. In order to demonstrate the efficacy and safety of the H1N1 vaccine, it should first be given to all members of Congress.

  10. AmeRICANInSURGEnt

    I agree 100% dnd,but that dosnt seem to be the case.

  11. AI I read the NM piece, I didn’t see anything about making it mandatory.

  12. AmeRICANInSURGEnt

    I didnt say New Mexico was making it mandatory. I was merely showing Nanny that there is lots of talk about the vaccine. Did you read the London Times piece?
    Baxter is one of 4 companies producing a vaccine. Baxter sent 500,000 doses to the Czechs in April that were all tainted with h5n1. Good thing the Czechs tested them before they administered them. Baxter basically said ..”oops”.
    I’m just pointing out some facts,thats all.

  13. Then I don’t get what you’re point is about making it mandatory. I’ve seen nothing to indicate that it would. No vaccinations are mandatory except for school children to the best of my knowledge.

  14. AmeRICANInSURGEnt

    Hey Brian ..Ill say this slowly so you can keep up. I never said the vaccines were mandatory. I asked a question,Are you for or against mandatory swine flu vaccine?. I hope that clears up your chronic confusion.
    The articles I posted were for Nannys benefit,just to point out that there is lots of talk about the vaccine. Just because you dont see it on tv,dosnt mean it isnt real. Ok sugar plum?

  15. Bite me dick wad!

    There, I can be childish too!

  16. nannymm

    AI, to my knowledge, there is no talk of the vaccine being mandatory here in the US. What other countries do is up to them. Furthermore, it would not be possible to make this vaccine mandatory since there isn’t enough time, there isn’t going to be enough vaccine available, and there is no effective means to make it mandatory. In this country, adults have the right to refuse medical care, unless they are in the military. Even so-called mandatory vaccines for children can be refused by parents in certain circumstances.
    As for the video you posted re: 1976 Swine Flu vaccine, i watched it the first time you posted it. I agree that that situation was very poorly handles. But even then the vaccine was NOT mandatory.

  17. eProf2

    Nanny, Senator Kyl has been getting a pass from Arizonans for years now. His right wing, “conservative” image is well preserved here and rarely do any critics emerge to challenge him on his diatribes. He’s trying to pull a Mark Sanford on the stimulus monies coming to AZ. I don’t like them but don’t stop sending the money even when I say stop sending the money, is Kyl’s mantra these days. I was really glad to see the Obama administration call him on his meaningless threats against the funding. Notice how quickly he backed off. He’s a jerk.

  18. This is funny, just the headline alone made me chuckle:

    Robert Bork: Sotomayor Unqualified, Isn’t ‘Entirely Governed by Law’

    http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/bork_sotomayor/2009/07/14/235469.html?s=al&promo_code=8378-1

  19. AmeRICANInSURGEnt

    Nanny I am aware of all that. And what you say is how it should work under normal circumstances. We are currently under a level 6 pandemic as deemed by the W.H.O.. Level 6 is the highest level the W.H.O. has and under level 6 martial law can be called for and under martial law,you have no right to refuse the vaccine. Again before I start getting called a right wing extreme delusional psychopath, all I am doing is speaking hypothetically about the situation.
    I will be posting in crayon from now on for Brians sake.

  20. TempeBev

    Nanny – yes, both our Senators are stupid – eprof2 said it much nicer than I would have. McCain for picking SP, although that turned out quite nice. Kyl for being an a—hole and stupid.

    I would like to have a swine flu shot if they’re available.

  21. nannymm

    AI, where did you get the info re: martial law? I looked and can’t find it. Also, I just checked with the hospital where hubby works. They say they are unaware of that. As the W.H.O. is not under US control, how could W.H.O. dictate martial law here? Can you post your sources? This is interesting; I’d like to explore it more.

  22. AmeRICANInSURGEnt

    W.H.O.cant declare martial law but during a level 6 pandemic according to a certain executive order (ill find the order and post it) martial can be declared. Also I may be mistaken but during a level 6 pandemic countries may fall under U.N. rule. I have to run out now for a few ,Ill post sources when I get back. 🙂
    Dont take the shot,look into Baxter.

  23. Marshall law declared by whom?

  24. dnd

    Does this mean the Surgeon General will be lining us up for flu shots?

    There is no provision in the Constitution to impose martial law. The closest you can come is the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus (Article 1, Section 9), which must be approved by Congress. So at best they could put you in Gitmo if you refused to get the shot.

  25. trout boy

    Nannymm,

    type the following into google “W.H.O. Level 6 and martial law”

    there are several “doom and gloom” paranoid sites there that are “reporting the truth” or so they say. Just more of the rightwing nuttery.

  26. dnd

    “CIA officials were proposing to activate a plan to train anti-terrorist assassination teams overseas when agency managers brought the secret program to the attention of CIA Director Leon Panetta last month, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the matter. ”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/15/AR2009071503856.html

  27. Posse Comitatus Act

    The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order” on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

  28. nannymm

    Hey, Trout. Thanks for that info, but I was looking for credible info. Those right wing looney sites don’t cut it. 😉

  29. Constance Truggle

    I’m glad my ‘friend’ showed me this site-I’m learning soooo much

  30. nannymm

    Hi Constance. Good to see you! We’re all glad you found us, too.

  31. nannymm

    You all need to hear this Glenn Beck rant. He was SCREAMING at a caller who tried to explain why we need healthcare for everyone. I’ve never heard anything like it. All I can say is WOW! Beck needs help badly.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/15/caller-reduces-glenn-beck_n_233846.html

  32. Has anyone else noticed an increase in the amount of car commercials on TV?

  33. He’s working that room at the NAACP!

  34. nannymm

    And he’s doing it brilliantly!

  35. LOL, Rachel ripped Pat a new one, good for her!

  36. dnd

    I’ve of two minds about Buchanan:
    1. anon-p is right. He’s a racist.
    2. Obama is right. He’s the political equivalent of professional wrestling.

    Or it could be both.

  37. Definitely a racist, hands down.

  38. Multiple bombings at western hotels in Jakarta, Indonesia.

  39. nannymm

    Good morning. Regarding Pat Buchanan, I think he’s a racist who truly believes his own bullshit. Rachel was right; Buchanan is a throwback to a very different time. I have no idea why MSNBC allows him to address the topic of race. It’s disgraceful.

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