Health Care Town Hall Screamer Reform ~ dnd

3785204977_c5075264c5 Watching the health care town hall’s where the opposition’s tactic is to shout down any discussion and vent at their congresscritter it dawned on me that the bulk of these people are old enough to be on Medicare.  While I don’t understand why people who are on Medicare are opposed to a “public plan” for health insurance, I think I have a strategy to quite them down.  The President should come on national television and say:

if-we-socialize-medicine-where-will-canadians-go “At the many town halls in August I have seen a large number of  seniors violently opposed to health insurance reform.  They label it Socialist.  As your President, I must respond to the will of the people, so beginning in September we will refund every nickel these patriotic Americans have paid into Medicare, minus any benefits they have already received.  They can then use this money to find individual health insurance for themselves on the free market, as they will no longer be eligible for Medicare.  Good luck, God bless you and may God bless America.”

Since most Americans over 50 have by this age accrued some sort of “pre-existing condition” these AstroTurfers (or as Stalin liked to say “useful idiots”) can spend their golden years appealing denied claims and fretting over skyrocketing premiumns.

That should shut them up.  Either that or they will change their rant to “Keep your hands off my Medicare!”



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26 responses to “Health Care Town Hall Screamer Reform ~ dnd

  1. Morning peeps, good piece dnd!

  2. nannymm

    Good piece, dnd. But Obama needs to find some huevos to do that. 😀

  3. dog's eye view

    Obama has plenty of huevos.

    The question is whether those who want real healthcare reform do.

    It’s hard to stand up against lunatics and naysayers, and do so reasonably and firmly. But got to be done.


    Tim Rutten’s LATimes column today: America the delusional

    [The GOP] might be careful what they wish for, because if our national political conversation becomes simply a continuation of talk radio by other means, dominated by people who bring guns to political rallies, who believe that the president of the United States is an alien who wants to euthanize the elderly and imprison the overweight, it won’t matter which party is in power. The country will be as ungovernable as it is deluded.,0,3225096.column

  4. eProf2

    Well, if the President has big huevos, he should show them as the leader and knock some Democratic heads around instead of backing off every thing that presents itself to him and his administration not only from Repugs but from his own party members. Health insurance reform is only one of the many issues he has backed down from recently. I’ll bet we could come up with a fairly significant list of changes from his campaign speeches.

    Well done, dnd. I for one don’t want to leave Medicare as I know how much it costs to provide catastrophic health care for one person who isn’t employed, my wife, who hasn’t reached 65 yet — $594 a month, and that’s for minimum protection.

    Have a great day, everyone.

  5. nannymm

    Well said, eprof. If Obama has huevos, he’s doing a damned good job of pretending he doesn’t. It’s time he stands up and fights for what he promised. This bull pucky (as Rachel Maddow says) has gone on long enough. He’s given away the store already; WTF is left?

  6. nannymm

    Barney Frank has huevos. 😉

  7. dog's eye view

    I think Obama is about to do an end run around the GOP. He has given “bipartisanship” a serious try.

    The public is behind him on the need for reform (if not precisely what form it should take). No kicking this can down the road.

    Obama is not a food fighter, but he is a fighter and this is important to him.

    No taking this opportunity for granted. It’s up to all of us too. Don’t let the freakshow take away your right to a better system.

  8. dnd

    As to Obama’s cojones, recall that he’s the master of rope-a-dope. Think the primaries. Think the election. Think the Sotomayor nomination. The guy doesn’t lose his cool. Just when he looks like he’s completely blown it, he always manages to come from behind and win. And who doesn’t like that? Americans love the underdog who battles insurmountable odds to win.

    I’m not ready to count Obama out. Not yet.

  9. nannymm

    A lot more of the public was behind him before he allowed this freak show to undermine health care reform. As to his efforts at bipartisanship, the writing has been on the wall for months only Obama either didn’t read it or just didn’t get it. In the meantime, he’s given up too much.

  10. dog's eye view

    From Philip Pizzo, Dean of Stanford University’s School of Medicine, op ed in today’s LATimes.

    “Let’s face it: We’re on the verge of substantial reform, and it’s fair to raise questions about exactly where we’re headed. But beware of attempts to derail progress with scare tactics. We wouldn’t scare a sick patient out of receiving lifesaving treatment merely because it is challenging or even painful; the same should be true for our healthcare system. Our nation has backed away from healthcare reform before, and we’re worse for it. We can’t let it happen again.

    I’ll close with a scare tactic that’s actually grounded in truth: Doing nothing is the worst option.”,0,6235286.story

    titled: “Don’t buy Gingrich’s doomsday healthcare prophecies”

    subhead: The former House speaker’s arguments against reform shouldn’t distract Americans from the basic truth that our healthcare system is sick.


    The crazies are having their day. That’s what crazies do. They’re a spectacle, and cable TV ready.

    Now the adults in the room are speaking up.

    I think you are going to see some counter-punching from the rational.

    Would have been nice to have this debate without the crazies, but maybe they’ve shot their wad at this point and now Obama et al can take on their objections, one by one.

    Enormous silent majority on this topic. Who has NOT been discussing healthcare reform in private?

  11. nannymm

    As Hillary said, dnd, you campaign in poetry and govern in prose. So far, Obama’s poetry is beautiful; his prose needs a major re-write. It just isn’t up to snuff.
    As for Sotomayor, there was never any doubt there. But let’s look at how much he gave up in the stimulus to get the appearance of a bipartisan bill. He should have learned from that.

  12. dnd

    The funny thing about the woman at the Frank town hall is that she doesn’t realize that her tactics are the same Gleichschaltung that brought down the Weimar Republic and brought about the rise of the Third Reich. ‘Tis she that’s the Nazi…

  13. dnd

    NEW YORK – Don Hewitt, the CBS Newsman who invented “60 Minutes” and produced the popular newsmagazine for 36 years, died Wednesday. He was 86.

  14. nannymm

    Dog’s Eye, the adults are not in charge. If they were, we would have started out with a goal of single payer universal health care instead of trying to revive this half dead employer based system we have. No matter what we get now, and I’m sure we’ll get something, it won’t be good enough. Obama didn’t negotiate from a position of strength; he gave away too much, too soon. He may know how to get elected but he needs to learn how to bargain for legislation like Johnson did. In other words, he needs to grow a set of brass ones.

  15. dnd

    What did Obama give up in the stimulus bill? Those on the right hated it and it passed anyway.

    As to campaigning in poetry, Hillary’s campaign was more E.E. Cummings than Robert Frost. 😉

  16. dnd

    Bill Richardson is hosting “unofficial” talks with two North Korean diplomats. This could mean one of two things:

    1. After Clinton’s humanitarian mission, the North Koreans are getting serious about diplomatic relations with the U.S.


    2. After a winter of nothing but kimchi, the diplomats were hungry for some chili rellenos, refritos and tortillas.

    Ok. Maybe both. 😉

  17. eProf2

    I’m with you, Nanny. Getting back a quarter of a loaf of bread after the other side has eaten most of it due to your giving it to them and then demanding it back isn’t a particularly smart strategy. Oh, it looks like you won something but your opponent has a full stomach and you’re wondering where the next bread will come from. (Sorry about the poor analogy — it was the best I could think of at this moment.)

  18. dog's eye view

    Thought this was one of the best posts I’ve ever seen on current realities for healthcare reform. From blogger Cup O’ Joe (and apologies for the lengthy excerpt, but it’s all good):

    Joe: “When the UK and Canada passed their national health care systems, there wasn’t already a pre-existing system in place. They built it, pretty much, from scratch. Not so here, where profitized, private health care has been the norm. And yes, people don’t like change. It’s scary, as you can see from some of the comments on my own posts here. We can’t just dismantle the system we currently have, we have to have a sort of hybrid system where the old insurance is gradually phased out to be replaced by a national health care plan. And even that isn’t going to happen without a fight.

    So I think what’s important here and now is momentum. Americans really do want national health care, and in greater numbers than ever before, but the profiteers still have the advantage in access to power. If we can get things done that paves the way for more changes in the future, it will show the politicians that a national health care system can be a winner politically. Because every time they’ve tried this before and failed, no one wants to touch it, and we’ll have to wait another generation or so to try again. And I don’t know if we can afford to wait that long.

    I know how hard it is to be patient. This is a battle we’ve been fighting for over sixty years, and the forces opposed to it are very powerful and are not about to get off the gravy train just yet. We have to continually put pressure on our elected officials and make it clear that regardless of how much money they’re getting from lobbyists, their phoney-baloney jobs are on the line here.

    And finally, sitting there and yelling that “Obama is the worst ever” is not constructive. There’s no liberal politician out there that could conceivably do any better than what we have right now, and wishing for the perfect politician to come by only helps the opposition. President Obama is who we elected and it’s up to us to give him the political cover to do the things that need to be done. If we make this an all-or-nothing fight we’ll get nothing.”

    July 28 post

  19. dnd

    Hillary is proving to be quite the team player. First Bill (the hubby) goes to North Korea on a successful humanitarian mission. Then Bill (the primary rival) hosts a couple of North Korean diplomats which could lead to the start of diplomatic relations and the de-nuclearization of North Korea. All this after her own diplomatic squabble with North Korea.

    Rather than viewing this as stepping on her turf, Hillary, putting country before ambition, gives the go-ahead for both efforts. She’s setting an example that some of her former colleagues in the Senate might want to follow.

  20. eProf2

    Did I hear the story correctly on KO tonight about health insurance companies asking Congress for permission to RAISE their profits to 35%? It’s not quite a direct route but if you can get through the bureaucratic lingua, the insurance companies want their clients to pay up to 35% of the total bill for health care instead of the 20% now. Are they tone deaf? Or are the “protesters” at these town hall meetings making law makers shake in their boots enough to provide bigger returns from their bought and paid for politicians?

  21. Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Wednesday, August 19, 2009 — 9:38 PM ET

    Outsiders Were Hired as C.I.A. Planned to Kill Jihadists

    The Central Intelligence Agency in 2004 hired outside
    contractors from the private security contractor Blackwater
    USA as part of a secret program to locate and assassinate top
    operatives of Al Qaeda, according to current and former
    government officials.

    Executives from Blackwater, which has generated controversy
    because of its aggressive tactics in Iraq, helped the spy
    agency with planning, training and surveillance. The C.I.A.
    spent several millions dollars on the program, which did not
    capture or kill any terrorist suspects.

  22. nannymm

    eprof, you heard right. It is absolutely astounding to me that people aren’t rioting in the streets demanding an end to private insurance. The stupidity of the American public never ceases to amaze me.

  23. nannymm

    Brian, that is just more proof that Bush and Cheney should have been impeached then and should be prosecuted now. Everything they did was to line the pockets of their corporate cronies and it was all done incompetently.

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