The Wilderness Act Turns 45 ~ dnd

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On September 3rd, 1965, President Lyndon Johnson signed into law the Wilderness Act.

“A wilderness, in contrast with those areas where man and his own works dominate the landscape, is hereby recognized as an area where the earth and community of life are untrammeled by man, where man himself is a visitor who does not remain.”

wilderness-areas Since that time the amount of U.S. wilderness has increased over tenfold.  The wilderness areas are administered by four agencies: National Park Service, U.S. Forest Service, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and Bureau of Land Management.

03AZ-05-25-TheWaveIs wilderness important?  It is above my pay grade to debate the ecological benefits of preserving wilderness areas verses the financial benefits of devastating them.  As to the spiritual benefits, all you need to do is visit one, and then you’ll know.


Pop quiz: which of the four agencies that administer wilderness areas is not under the Department of the Interior?



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81 responses to “The Wilderness Act Turns 45 ~ dnd

  1. U. S Forest Service is part of the Dept. of Ag. (I cheated, I looked it up). Nice piece d, great pics!

  2. nannymm

    I knew that, Brian. 😉

  3. dnd

    You knew Brian cheated or that the Forest Service was part of USDA?

    There are occassionally efforts to put the Forest Service under Interior, but that makes too much sense…

  4. nannymm

    Oh, I know he cheated, dnd. I, however, knew it because my son almost accepted a job with the Forest Service years ago. And being the good mommy that I am, I had to check it out. 🙂

  5. TempeBev

    dnd – some of the most beautiful scenery is on the drive from Phoenix to Salt Lake City.

    Ok, I’m venting. I really thought this country had matured. We voted for an African-American – surprise, he won. In reality, the country hasn’t grown up at all. The USA isn’t ready for someone other than “whitey.” Everything Obama tries to do, it is turned against him. I firmly believe it’s because he’s not white (1/2 white apparently doesn’t count.

    For example, today he is receiving his daily dose of criticism in advance of his televised address to students because some say he’s trying to “indoctrinate” them. The AZ state school superintendent (a repug) states: ” he thinks the USDEduc materials ‘are too worshipful toward Obama’ and ‘educationally unsound’. I think that good education practices are that children should be taught to listen skeptically and to analyze and to think critically, and non of that is in the materials.”

    All this about a talk to students by the President of the USA to encourage good study habits. You know that would not be said if former Prez Bush was giving a televised talk to encourage education among students. He only read to them – “My Pet Goat” and it was upside down.

    If I had no children living in the US, I really would consider moving to Canada.

  6. nannymm

    I’m almost there, Bev. It’s just a few miles down the road.

  7. Maybe we can set up a commune!

  8. nannymm

    Just make sure you have good winter wear. It gets rather cold up here. Anyone into hockey or skiing?

  9. I’m into hockey players, does that count?

  10. dnd

    Bev, Arches National Park is awesome!

  11. Why Chuck Grassley Turned on Health-Care Reform,8599,1920209,00.html

    No Profile In Courage moment here!

  12. TempeBev

    dnd – Arches is awesome! I actually made it all the way up to Delicate Arch – it’s magnificent.

  13. nannymm

    Is Obama Dumping the Public Option?
    — By David Corn

    “From a progressive point of view,” Nadler says, “we’ve already compromised five or six times.” He cites liberal Democrats’ willingness to give up on a single-payer approach and to agree to several restrictions on a public insurance plan. But he acknowledges that voting against a bill without a public option will be a “test” for progressive Democrats: “A lot of them have said they will vote against such a bill, but will they?”

    What of the argument that the House Dems should not permit the perfect to be the enemy of the good? Isn’t half a loaf better than none? “I am convinced,” Nadler remarks, “that you can’t take a loaf without the public option because that’s not sustainable, with the costs going up. If we did this, what will we accomplish in the end?”

  14. My suspicion is triggers will be the compromise between the House and the Senate.

  15. dnd

    Another reason Chuck Hagel should be working in the Obama administration:

    The Limits Of Force
    Iraq and Afghanistan Aren’t Ours to Win or Lose

  16. nannymm

    I could consider accepting that IF it was a guaranteed trigger that would automatically kick in on a date certain if the specified threshold/trigger were met. And, of course, the threshold/trigger would have to be a reasonable one, not something that could be fudged and manipulated.
    That said, I think we MUST continue to insist on a public option NOW. As David Corn stated in the piece I posted above, “we’ve already compromised five or six times.” Enough is enough! It’s time to really stand up and fight for what we believe.

    Medicare for ALL!

  17. Well I am happy that the trigger talk has changed from 5 years to 2.

  18. dnd

    Robert Reich:
    “The most important difference between America’s Democratic left and Republican right is that the left has ideas and the right has discipline. ”

  19. dnd

    Here’s Bill Moyers agreeing with you:

    Moyers’ argues that when Truman lost the Medicare fight it set the stage for LBJ to win on Medicare twenty years later. So if we lose comprehensive universal health care now, it’ll set the stage to win in, say another 20 years. The flaw in his argument is that 60 years ago, health care costs were not as significant as they are now. We can’t wait 20 years. We can’t wait 10 years. We can’t wait five years. Today, half a loaf is better than none. As long as it’s not chaff…

  20. nannymm

    Sorry, dnd, I’m tired of settling for half a loaf. Why is it that we Dems keep telling each other to “settle” no matter what the issue? Repugs don’t settle; even when they are in the minority, they find a way to get their way. When they’re in charge, they get it all.
    It’s not time to consider settling. It’s time to fight like hell for universal healthcare.

  21. Nanny because the approx 30 million people who will receive coverage on what has already been agreed to don’t want you cutting off their noses to spite blue dog/repug face. I think we have to be really careful about losing sight of what’s going on here.

  22. nannymm

    I think it’s too soon to give up on fighting for the whole enchilada, Brian.

    So We Can’t Have Single Payer for Health Care, But How About Single Payer for Education?

  23. nannymm

    A little bit of humor:

    A Summer Skirt Situation…

    As the bus stopped and it was her turn to get on, a lovely looking woman became aware that her skirt was too tight to allow her leg to come up to the height of the first step of the bus.

    Slightly embarrassed and with a quick smile to the bus driver, she reached behind her to unzip her skirt a little, thinking that this would give her enough slack to raise her leg. She tried to take the step, only to discover that she couldn’t.

    So, a little more embarrassed, she once again reached behind her to unzip her skirt a little more, and for the second time attempted the step

    Once again, much to her chagrin, she could not raise her leg.

    With a little smile to the driver, she again reached behind to unzip a little more and again was unable to take the step.

    About this time, a large Texan who was standing behind her picked her up easily by the waist and placed her gently on the step of the bus.

    She went ballistic and turned to the would-be Samaritan and yelled, “How dare you touch my body! I don’t even know who you are!”

    The Texan smiled and drawled, “Well, ma’am, normally I would agree with you, but after you unzipped my fly three times, I kinda figured we was friends.”

  24. NO ONE IS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT STOPPING THE FIGHT! But claiming if such and such isn’t a bill you won’t support it is not my idea of of how we get things done. And lets keep in mind that the way things stand right now we wouldn’t be getting half a loaf but about 80% of the loaf.

  25. Cute nanny, I guess they don’t have kneeling buses in Texas! LOL

  26. nannymm

    Hmm… 100 percent would be a universal, single payer plan. Since we will get neither, we are far from 80 percent.
    As far as this:
    Why are you yelling?

  27. I’m yelling because when I say anything you disagree with you saying I’m not going to stop fighting. And no single payer is not the only road to universal health care. France has universal health care under a hybrid system.

  28. nannymm

    Good point regarding the French system.

  29. dnd

    Germany is also a hybrid system.

  30. nannymm

    Are you listening to Keith?

  31. nannymm

    Good! Obama is in trouble.

  32. And what did you think about what Jonathan Cohen had to say?

  33. dnd

    I really hope MA decides to have an interim Senator and I hope that interim Senator is Vicki Kennedy. She needs to sit Grassley, Enzi, Hatch and McCain down in a room and tell them: “You knew my husband. You worked closely with my husband. You loved my husband. You, above all, understand his passion for health care. What’s it gonna take to honor his life?”

    There’s nothing like a woman casting shame on a man to get things done. Trust me, I’ve been on the receiving end of that 😉

  34. She told the gov. she’s not interested in taking the seat d.

  35. nannymm

    It won’t work, dnd. These pols care more about getting re-elected than about their supposed “love” of their “dear friend” Teddy. They’re nothing but a damned bunch of self-serving hypocrites.

  36. nannymm

    And what did you think about what Jonathan Cohen had to say?

    Not much, Brian.

  37. Just wanted to make sure you were watching.


  38. dnd

    It’s a woman’s prerogative to change her mind. I’ve been on the receiving end of that too 😉

  39. Hey you’re preaching to the choir here on that one, I was very disappointed when I heard she said she didn’t want it.

  40. Funny ending to KO tonight!

  41. nannymm

    Why We Need Government-Run Universal Socialized Health Insurance

  42. Morning Red Nanny.


  43. dnd

    Red Nanny,
    This whole debate over how the government can’t do health insurance made me wonder why none of the pro-public plan pundits haven’t brought up the raging success of the military contractors. Recall the images of drunk, naked contractors in Afghanistan this week? The solders electrocuted in showers built by KBR? The CIA contractors at Gitmo who tortured?

    Back when Cheney was SECDEF, he commissioned Haliburton to do a study to show how outsourcing non-combat military functions could save money. Turns out it doesn’t save money and we get shoddy service. But Haliburton was so happy they made Cheney CEO and gave him millions of dollars!

  44. nannymm

    Red Nanny? Hmmm….

  45. “But Haliburton was so happy they made Cheney CEO and gave him millions of dollars!”

    Go figure!

  46. nannymm

    “No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick. If you agree, please post this as your status for the rest of the day.”

    Sound familiar? If you logged on to Facebook or Twitter yesterday, you probably read this multiple times. You may have even posted it yourself. The onslaught of pro-health-care messages coming out of social-media sites yesterday painted a very different picture from the faces we’ve seen at town halls and on the news. But does updating your status in favor of health care really make a difference?

  47. dnd

    Red Nannymm,
    As I’m am a hopelessly out of touch old coot, I don’t do Facebook or Twitter. But that story from the link you put up was really thought provoking.

    While this may be a stressful time to be alive, it is certainly interesting 😉

  48. god it’s good to be home, evening peeps.

  49. dnd

    BOISE, Idaho – A federal appeals court has ruled that former Attorney General John Ashcroft can be sued by people who claim they were wrongfully detained as material witnesses after 9/11, and called the government practice “repugnant to the Constitution.”

  50. Saw that last night dnd, it’s a good thing!

  51. nannymm

    It’s about damned time someone in that wretched Bush administration may be held to account. Let’s just hope any suits are successful.

  52. dnd

    I think that may be why Cheney is so nervous.

  53. dnd

    WASHINGTON – Signaling it’s time for action, the Senate’s chief negotiator on a health care bill told his colleagues he won’t wait much longer for a Republican compromise.

  54. dnd

    I have a feeling that the upset with the President speaking to school kids is gonna backfire.

    What happens when you tell a teenager they can’t do something they think is reasonable? They redouble their efforts to do it. Those kids who were ambivalent about the speech will now view it with rapt attention.

  55. dnd

    I think Franken would have had more cred if he’d been noshing on a deep-fried Twinkie or a funnel cake or some other state fair fare. Nothing like talking about health care while eating something deep fat fried 😉

  56. A raw twinkie is pretty gross, I can’t even fathom what a fried one must be like!

  57. dnd

    My guess is at the Minnesota State Fair the have booths with lutefisk and lefse. Lefse is pretty good, but lutefisk is easily the grossest food ever.

  58. Lima beans are the grossest food ever.

  59. nannymm

    I like lima beans. Liver is the worst.

  60. I like liver, in fact I just brought home some liverwurst, yum yum.

  61. dnd

    I’m with Nannymm, liver is the wurst 😉

    On the other hand I have to agree with a songwriter from Doots’ neck of the woods about the bestest food ever:

    “Only two things that money can’t buy; that’s true love and home grown tomatoes.”

  62. Oh good, finally a place for crazy seniors to go!

  63. dnd

    I’d like to see some Republican come out and say that those who have their panties in a twist because the President wants to tell school kids about value of education are fucking nuts and please STFU. It’s loonies like this who convinced moderate Republicans and independents to vote for Democrats.

  64. Where is William F. Buckley Jr. when you need him aye d?

  65. dnd

    William F. Buckley Jr. is the guy who told the Republicans that the wingnut Birchers didn’t represent true conservative values. The result was a groundswell in the growth of conservative causes. Until the dumbasses that now dominate the Republican party figure that out, they will just be viewed as a latter-day Birchers.

  66. Yes, hence my Buckley reference! LOL

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