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I need 24 hours to recoup, talk amongst yourselves
I hope you do well fishing. I have some “silver lining” thoughts about the MA election but I’ll save them until I think my thoughts are both close to reality and aren’t too off the beaten track. See you when you get back from the fishing hole.
Hey, eprof. I feel like crying; I just can’t believe that Teddy’s seat has gone to a republican who wants to trash all that Teddy worked for. The people of MA have no idea what they’ve done or who they’ve elected. I think they will really regret this. Unfortunately, the damage will have been done. 😥
Morning peeps, such as it is.
It’s dismal, Brian.
A friend posted this on my FB wall:
“Vote: the instrument and symbol of a freeman’s power to make a fool of himself and a wreck of his country.”
Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary
The saying for the day, “That which does not kill us makes us stronger”.
You didn’t stay out very long for the fishing, did you?
Well lets just say I’m spending the day with my toe dangling in the water, but I’m not watching cable news today.
“Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds.” ~ Albert Einstein
Is this wake up too late? only one year in 3 to go….
Here is another post from a Rethug on FB:
“GOOD JOB MASS!!!!! We killed the filibuster (for now)….bring on November….I can feel it! I AM A REPUBLICAN BECAUSE WE ALL CANT BE ON WELFARE! Remember, don’t spread my wealth-SPREAD MY WORK ETHIC!!!”
This from a girl who sponged off her parents for years while she fiddled around taking about 8yrs to get a college education.
She STILL doesn’t know what a filibuster is!
That’s why I call these people ignorant and stupid.
“That’s why I call these people ignorant and stupid.”
These people respond to fear and greed, not hope. This was the focus of Brown’s campaign.
The interesting thing about the Brown campaign was that he said he was an “independent” though running as a Republican and who’s only message was the Republican talking points. No ideas, just fear and greed, the mother’s milk of populist outrage. The people of MA are in for a rude shock…
No, UB, it’s not too late. But it’s a damned shame that it had to be Teddy’s seat to wake up this administration. If Obama doesn’t get a backbone now and start fighting like hell for what he believes in, he and the Dems will go down in flames. And the Dems in congress need to get it together, too.
off topic : Have any of you noticed the recurring use of the work “look” (sharp and halting) when these politicians and pundits speak on TV…..it seems to come right after they are on the spot with a direct question, and right before they spin a response…
I can’t stop noticing it….
OK, here’s the silverlining in the MA Democratic defeat. Most progressives are opposed to the Senate version of health insurance reform. The Republicans are going to vote no on all reform measures because they want this piece of legislation to be Obama’s waterloo. Democrats must finally realize that they must get over the 60 vote in the Senate myth and start to play like a majority party: 51 votes is the new mantra. Take the health insurance reform bill and split it up into the parts that just about all Democrats can vote for, such as no pre-existing conditions and individuals can purchase health insurance across state lines. Then make the Republicans vote against these measures one by one and call them on their bluff of filibusters. Anyone noticed that there hasn’t been a filibuster yet, only the threat of one which cowered the Democrats into believing they had to have 60 votes? Majorities rule!
I think allowing individuals (or groups) to purchase insurance across would be a mistake. It would be virtually impossible for individuals to compare all the policies and the added burden of doctors and hospitals to deal with the plethora of policies would add significantly to health care costs.
A viable alternative might be to allow everyone to enroll in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program. It is essentially purchasing across state lines with a reasonable number of plans that have to compete with each other. It’s portable. It has a huge risk pool. Basically, it’s the public option.
And any pol that would vote against it should be made to find their own health insurance.
Good point eprof, and correct me if I’m wrong here, but wasn’t Brown elected to the remainder of Teddy’s term? I think he was not elected to a full 6 years.
Very good points, eProf. But do the damned Dems have the cajones to actually do it? I have my doubts. And does Obama have the spine to crack heads like LBJ did to get them to do it? Again, I have my doubts.
Brian, you’re correct. Brown was only elected to fill out Teddy’s term. (OMG! It hurts like hell to even say that !)
Finally found it on the Internet: Kennedy was last elected in 2006; thus, his term of office, which will be filled by Scott Brown, lasts until January 2013: just short of three years.
Three long years… Hopefully the MA Democratic Party will use this time to recoup and find a qualified and dynamic candidate to run against Brown.
I just heard a promo for KO in which he says, “The minority party doesn’t seem to know it’s the minority party.” Hmmmm…… I think it’s the MAJORITY party that doesn’t seem to understand that it’s the MAJORITY or even what that means.
As I said, some of those MA voters are just plain stupid. They say Dems aren’t hard enough on repugs so they voted for a repug??? WTF???
In a somewhat paradoxical finding, a plurality of voters who switched
to the Republican — 37 percent — said that Democrats were not being
“hard enough” in challenging Republican poli…cies.
Here’s a novel idea: Democrats should force a change in Rule 22 of the Senate re: filibusters. If the Democrats can’t get sixty votes to stop a filibuster, require under Rule 22 that at least 17 members of the party that votes to sustain a filibuster must then be on the floor at all times to listen to the filibustering Senator or Senators. 17? That’s the same number that is required to sign a cloture petition to stop a filibuster before the infamous 60 vote majority kicks in. And, if less than 17 members supporting a filibuster aren’t present, give the Senator speaking one more hour of debate and then have another cloture vote take place. In other words, tie up the no party and then let the chips fall where they may come election time. The Democrats haven’t kept the Republican’s feet to the fire in this health insurance bill one bit.
That is an excellent idea, eProf. The question is, do the Dems have the guts to do it?
So now Obama is urging dems NOT to ram healthcare bill through? He wants us to coalesce around those ideas everyone agrees on? GEEZ! He’s a gutless wonder!
eprof: some very good points. I’ve been thinking there might be a silver lining, and it’s time to bring the fillibuster threat under control.
Like the idea of buying a policy through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program. It would be hard for many Senators to vote against giving their constituents the same access to care, wouldn’t it?
Agree with Brian on taking a holiday from news.
But then back to lend some spine to our elected representatives.
It’s mean, but I hope Brown gives many of his feckless voters heartburn over his 3 years.
“It’s mean, but I hope Brown gives many of his feckless voters heartburn over his 3 years.”
You and me both, dog’s eye!
nanny: in retrospect, that voters were telling you they were voting for an “independent” is fascinating. I only caught 40 seconds of TV coverage last night: a blurb of Brown promising he would be “an independent voice for Massachussetts” sandwiched in between weather coverage. (It’s raining heavily, sporadically, in LA and there is flooding and danger of mudslides.)
It will be interesting to see how “independent” the Bay State’s new junior senator is. Politicians have surprised us all in the past … who knows what Brown stands for, really.
Brown deceived them and they were too damned stupid to know it.
Perfect animation for the mood today:
Well, well, well….. John Edwards finally admits that he is the father of Quin, the baby Reille Hunter gave birth to during the campaign. How very big of him.
Top of the day peeps
Well I’m off to Long Island for the day, hey peeps how bout coming up with some threads!
“I’m Scott Brown and I drive a truck!”
I don’t know if any of you have ever been in one of those four seat-short bed pickups, but they are essentially a luxury sedan without a trunk lid. What a phony…
Scott Brown drives a 2005 GMC Canyon, which is a very small pick-up and can’t be used to pull an RV around and is mostly used to haul small loads to the dump (good straight line there?) and across town.
I surely hope people aren’t going to start saying there is a correlation between pick-up truck owners and Republicans or right-wingers. Here in rural America almost everyone owns at least one pick-up truck. I do agree with dnd on the view that some, mine included, are very well appointed four-door vehicles. Oh, I even have a tonneau cover over the back of my p/u to provide a huge trunk for storage when we’re pulling our RV on camping trips — the one major luxury we’ve allowed ourselves in retirement. (Besides staying in our home on wheels when we travel is lot less expensive than staying in hotels, et cetera.)
Today’s Supreme Court decision … I guess we are all going to fish a bit longer?
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