What The Hell?

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  1. dooty

    When I read about this early this AM, I checked over you know where. Nothing. Just checked and still nothing has been written about this. Unless I just missed it.

  2. It’s an appalling remark she made, my jaw dropped when I first saw it.

  3. Not even Max made a comment doots? Now that is surprising!

  4. Go look again doots, Max did make a comment as did a few others.

  5. dooty

    like I said I didn’t spend a lot of time looking

    • dnd

      You’d think Thomas would be better versed in the history of the region. Apparently not. Her bias probably has roots in her Lebanese parents.

      In the too little too late department, she apologized on her web site:

      http://helenthomas.org/

  6. dooty

    Ok I went back and there are some mentions. Even Craig said he was saddened by her words.

  7. Too little, too late indeed. The apology would have more meaning if it wasn’t on the same page with a promo vid for her book.

  8. TempeBev

    Americans’ Acceptance of Gay Relations Crosses 50% Threshold:
    new Gallup Poll

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/135764/Americans-Acceptance-Gay-Relations-Crosses-Threshold.aspx

  9. Good catch on that link Bev!

  10. dog's eye view

    John Cole (Balloon Juice) on Helen’s remarks.

    “In other news, I think Helen Thomas will probably get fired for this. Those kinds of views might be acceptable for Israel’s Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and conservatives like Pat Buchanan, , but probably not the press.”

    Reserving comment until I see the video.

    Not turning on someone for one ill-considered remark.

  11. Helen’s problem is that she no longer sees herself as one of the gatherers of fact but as someone who’s job it is is to give advice and admonish when she sees fit. It’s the premise of her most recent book and frankly I’m not sure it’s tone any member of the White House press corps should take.

  12. dog's eye view

    OK, watched it, and think it’s a smear by rabbi.net or whatever. Although Helen spoke very incautiously and should know, as a longtime Washington hand, to qualify, qualify, qualify her remarks.

    Have not been following Israel’s attack on the flotilla, but it sounds abhorrent.

    And talk about starting a food fight on backchannel. But here goes:

    Helen is right that [many or most of] the Palestinians do feel the Israelis are occupiers.

    I realize the Israelis and many Jewish people, particularly Zionists, love the Holy Land and feel Israel has a longterm claim to it. Many others all around the world, including Christians, particularly fundamentalists, believe this as well.

    The state of Israel exists. It is a fact of life.

    That said, the land under contention has been occupied by Arabs — believe they are also Semites — for centuries upon centuries as well.

    How well do you think that settling a large population of Europeans [of a different faith, yet] in, say, Texas or Costa Rica or even Oregon, would have flown, in the aftermath of the Holocaust and the worst war ever seen in history?

    I don’t recall the United States doing much for the Jewish population during the war — like massive resettlement here, even temporarily — once the evils Hitler and his reich were inflicting became known. Seem to remember “Voyage of the Damned” stories more.

    There are Arab families that were tossed off their land and out of their homes, just as there were Poles and others who lost their homes to German invaders. (Silesia, etc.)

    The state of Israel was formed in 1948; that’s the blink of an eye in human history.

    Whatever anyone thinks about Israel’s right to exist — and it is there now, so deal with it — the Palestinians are treated extraordinarily shabbily and have very little prospects for good jobs and supporting their families.

    There is pain all around, and it’s politically incorrect to acknowledge the Arab people’s pain, but it is just as real.

    I don’t personally feel that U.S. interests and Israeli interests always dovetail, particularly with Bibi Netanyahu at the helm. (I despise the man. Yiktzak Rabin was a far better leader.)

    Yes, Helen is Lebanese. And no, the Israelis need not move back to Germany or Russia or Arkansas or wherever they hailed from.

    But let’s not pretend they landed on the moon after WWII.

    They landed amidst peoples who also had a claim to the land. No pretending otherwise.

    ========

    Brian: very interesting comment at 1:11. Have not read any recent Helen books, so can’t say. But sounds perceptive.

  13. dog's eye view

    Here’s Helen’s statement.

    “I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians. They do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon.”

    dog: Cannot argue with a word of it.

    Mutual respect and tolerance.

    Which fails, from time to time, on this and virtually every other blog I’ve ever seen. Never mind real, in virtual life.

    I hope Helen keeps her job, continues to do it well, and lives many more productive years.

    As for her most recent co-author: meh.

  14. dog's eye view

    That’s “never mind in real, versus virtual, life.”

    But you twigged that.

  15. TempeBev

    Good response, Dog

  16. dog's eye view

    Thanks, Bev.

    And it is my view, only. Anyone can have a different and even better view.

    How goes it in Arizona today?

    Lovely day in coastal California now. Marine layer has burned off.

    We are in “June Gloom”, although have not detected a full day of it yet.

  17. Here’s my fix, Israel should withdraw from the occupied territories, the old city should be under UN control, end of story. Either side who doesn’t like it too friggin bad.

  18. TempeBev

    AZ is on it’s way to 110 degrees. May was beautiful.

  19. ub

    Wow Bev….110 is very hot. Do you use oven mittens to open car doors? ( and I thought Texas was too hot)

    Ps. re: the world in general: Some days I cant stand people because they can’t get along – yet I can’t always get along so what should I expect?

  20. “Some days I cant stand people because they can’t get along – yet I can’t always get along so what should I expect?”

    Out of the mouths of “babes” oft time come gems.

  21. ub

    ha…if only I was a babe….

    OFF TOPIC TOTALLY
    …my brother who is 8 years older than I, is dating a girl who is 20, yes twenty, years younger than I am….My Mother, (the republican), used to call Bill Clinton a pedophile….but she’s a-okay with this….go figure.

    Peace everyone.

  22. dog's eye view

    Maybe your mom is desperate for more grandchildren?

    How many tattoos? (Just kidding. But actually …)

  23. My mom? I’m lost, 14 tats, depending on how count.

  24. ub

    Just saying my mother is a republican hypocrit. That really the jest of the post. – it just gets old for me sometimes.

    • dnd

      If it’s Sunday, it’s my favorite curmudgeon, Ed Quillen. This week ol’ Ed opines on putting a spin on the Gulf’s oil spill:

      http://www.denverpost.com/quillen/ci_15223775

      • dnd

        The This Week round table: Arriana Huffington, Markos Moulitsas, George Will and Liz Cheney. Two bloggers, a columnist and a professional polemicist. Four people who make their livings by placing blame. If jumping to conclusions was an aerobic exercise, this would be a great exercise video…

  25. dog's eye view

    Good morning all.

  26. 87 friggin degrees already, going to be a real scorcher.

  27. dog's eye view

    Craig Courage Crawford strikes again. He and Helen’s book/lecture agent (and “niece”) throw Helen under the bus for her Israel remarks.

    They sure rode her for all she was worth until this episode, and used every contact possible to profit from association with her.

    Courage will out.

    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2010/06/with-regrets.html#comments

    Kudos to Flatus, Tony, Jamie, eprof and others for putting in a good word for a 90-year old trail-blazing journalist.

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