Family Feud

The President’s compromise with the Republicans in order to get tax cuts for the middle class and extending unemployment compensation has generated a feud amongst the chattering class on the left.  On MSNBC Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow have all blown a gasket on this compromise, claiming that the President has “caved” to the right.  Chris Matthews and Lawrence O’Donnell have claimed that the President got the best deal he could.

Firebrands Schultz, Olbermann and Maddow, just want to stick it to the Republicans.  They want a political battle to carry on no matter the collateral damage to the afflicted.  And why shouldn’t they?  They will not suffer and a political battle only helps improve their ratings.

Matthews and O’Donnell, the only two who have actually worked in government, understand that politics is the art of the deal.  If you want to get something done in Washington to help the constituents, you must compromise.  They understand the best is the enemy of the good.

Democrats in the House and Senate are either pissed or OK with the compromise much for the same reasons.

Meanwhile, the right is sitting back and enjoying the show.  It takes the attention off the seriously fractious elements of the Republican party.

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61 responses to “Family Feud

  1. Dooty

    add me in the “mad as hell” group.

  2. dog's eye view

    Good morning Doots, my fellow insomniac. Did you watch all of the president’s press conference? Made a huge difference to me.

    (And not just the part the MSM picked up. All of it. Hostage. Back door. All of it.)

    dnd: hearing of this makes me doubly glad not to have cable. La la la.

    More shrieking like this on the internet and I am going to stay off of blogs and read Moby Dick or something.

    This reminds me of people insisting on attacking the wrong country. Real problem is the GOP. And their voters.

  3. dog's eye view

    Josh Green, whom I’ve found to be a whip smart observer:

    “President Obama’s deal with Republicans to temporarily extend the Bush-era tax cuts is under withering attack from liberals. One congressman likened it to “Gettysburg.” But Democrats have actually won a major battle over public spending: in exchange for tax cuts for the rich, they’ve come away with hundreds of billions of dollars in new stimulus, something that seemed impossible a week ago. Given the general drift of politics since last month’s election — the elevation of the Tea Party, the deficit obsession — this is a remarkable turn of events.”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/12/can-pragmatism-pay-off/67735/

    “The deficit obsession.” And recall that Obama is dealing with a public that fears “inflation” when deflation is the more present danger.

    We’re a nation of armchair economists and chairborne commanders.

    Which is not to say “always believe the experts”, because they’re whacking wrong from time to time.

    You do the best you can in uncertain times.

    Teddy Kennedy passed up a deal on healthcare decades ago because he thought he could get better.

  4. Dooty

    Brian I never looked at it that way but “maybe” it was the gays. 🙂 j/k

  5. i got something you can look at!

    🙂

  6. Dooty

    Naw, no thanks, I got one of my own.

  7. TempeBev

    I think it’ disgusting that the religious whackos are announcing they will protest Elizabeth Edwards funeral. It is truly sad to realize there are people in this world who have no respect for other people’s private grief. I know they also protest at returning servicemen’s funerals. Is it the food they eat, the religion they practice or just inbreeding?

    I guess a good definition of “politics” is the current situation about taxes. It is a game to see who can win the most points. Too bad the rules don’t include thinking about the people who voted them into office.

    Happy Birthday to my hubby today. He won’t see this but thought I would share.

  8. Bev I think it should be considered a badge of honor to Phelps show up to protest anything!

  9. TempeBev

    Oh good. Just read that Ralph Nader is considering running against Obama in 2012. Somethings just never end.

    My solution is to appoint Hillary VP ASAP so she can run in 2012 when Obama decides that he is sick and tired of all the shit that goes with being prez. Then we could have Hillary vs Sarah. Wouldn’t that be fun?

  10. dog's eye view

    Honestly, I don’t know what to think about this tax cuts “deal.”

    On the one hand, it’s dreadful to sustain the high income tax cuts, even “temporarily.” Because that’s likely just an interim step to “permanently”. You can’t invent a better issue to turn out the Citizens United millions of $$$ on behalf of plutocrats for the 2012 cycle.

    On the other hand, think of the anguish of unemployed people hanging on by their toes, and the uncertainty they face. During Christmas season, too.

    (We have rightwingers shrieking about a “War on Christmas” while they won’t raise a finger or pay an extra penny to help their fellow man. Meaning they don’t understand the central tenets of a religion they employ to further polarize the electorate. Nice.)

    So I don’t know how it goes if this deal goes down.

    I think the GOP has overreached. I think Obama might have taken the best he could get with the intention of slamming the GOP down the road.

    Mostly, I wish we had less careerist Democrats. A united front would go a long way. As it is: President Susan Collins. President Ben Nelson. President Joe Lieberman.

  11. dog's eye view

    Anyone voting for Nader would seem to be one of the “purists” Obama spoke of.

  12. Dog you pretty much summed up my sentiments exactly regarding the tax deal. The president’s big mistake was not consulting the liberal caucus before he proceeded with the repugs.

    • dnd

      W.r.t. the tax deal the dems made, IMHO, two big mistakes. First they didn’t deal with this over the summer. They were scared that this would be used as a campaign issue and they would lose. Second they didn’t explain that the “small” businesses that would benefit from tax cuts for the rich are not the small businesses that generate job growth.

      Now what they need to do is document precisely how many new jobs are generated by the tax cuts for the rich, and what each of those jobs cost in terms of the tax breaks. Then in 2012 the can campaign on how the Republicans conned us on this issue.

  13. d I’m posting this for you, now that I’ve gone to the trouble of posting it I expect you to watch it!

  14. dog's eye view

    Agree, dnd.

    Many, but not all, of the Democrats lacked the spine for bringing up repeal of tax cuts for high income earners and DADT before the election. Public opinion supported overturning both programs, and the Democrats still didn’t do it.

    Let’s be honest. The votes were never there. The GOP is always a roadblock, but careerist Democrats don’t help themselves.

    I’d rather admire someone who goes down fighting the good fight than a cautious careerist (Tom Perriello vs. Blanche Lincoln).

  15. Dooty

    after watching Morning Load, I am in a shitty mood. This may be the best he could do but it is the best for the country. I don’t think so. The party of NO strikes again. Fuck’em all!

  16. I love hearing you guys bitch about morning joe, yet watch him everyday!

  17. I know you’re a closet joe viewer!

  18. I know how it goes, you figure, well you’re up anyway….

  19. dog's eye view

    Morning Joe makes me appreciate life.

    As in: we only get so much of it, our days are numbered (RIP Elizabeth Edwards) and when we can, it’s good to get something back for time spent.

    So: Morning Joe never is on in this house.

    Which is not even a moral victory, because we don’t have cable TV.

    • dnd

      I think it’s smart for Obama to bring in the Big Dog. C.f. the Doyle McManus latimes piece, Clinton was in much deeper doo-doo than Obama at his two year mark, during a politically more favorable time, and Clinton’s reminding the base of that.

  20. dog's eye view

    So did anybody see the Bernie Sanders floor speech? Missed the whole thing; just heard about it after the fact.

  21. dog's eye view

    Swindler Madoff’s eldest son, Mark, 46, hung himself in his NYC apartment. While his 2 year old slept in another room.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/business/12madoff.html?hp

    I think this is the first suicide ever where I thought “I hope that hurts his mother and father good and hard.” Usually have much more sympathy for the souls involved, but you’re dealing with at least one parent here who’s a financial sociopath and one who, at minimum, led a luxurious life off stolen proceeds. If Ruth Madoff has made any whimpers of contrition or effort to rid herself of ill-gotten gains, I have missed it.

    This might be a more terrible form of justice for the father.

  22. dog's eye view

    Allah be praised that Holbrooke was in DC and not in country when he fell ill.

    Glorious day in Southern California. Expected to reach 80, and it’s clear enough to see the surrounding mountains.

    Hope you are all having good weekends.

    Good to see Bruce the Economist’s blog in the links.

    • dnd

      Dog,
      I put our sometimes drop in friend Bruce the Economist in the sidebar because he always has something interesting to say. I moved Margaret and Helen up to #2 because no matter what they say, it’s always funny, relevant and irreverent. Great satire.

      Glad to hear it’s sunny in SoCal. Seeing the mountains is always a good thing.

  23. dog's eye view

    Ho ho ho. Merry Christmas month.

    Thinking on visiting an early California “rancho” decorated for the holidays. And then driving around to look at some lights tonight. Love that part of the season.

    ====

    Good to hear the sidebar evolves, and woe to anyone who moves Margaret and Helen.

  24. TempeBev

    We’re a little warm here – 80 degrees today. We’re hoping that winter will arrive by March, 2011.

    • dnd

      After seeing John Boehner blubber on 60 Minutes last night I wondered two things:
      1. What would the media reaction been had Nancy Pelosi cried on camera?
      2. This guy will soon be third in line to the presidency?

  25. dog's eye view

    dnd: Your point 2 is chilling. Re the crying: maybe that’s why we hear constantly about his being one of a gazillion kids from a big Catholic family, raised in a saloon. Just an emotional guy.

    Knew nothing until recently about his being a millionaire off plastics. I would have guessed he was a local pol who went for national office.

    Re decorating cactus: maybe. Have seen it in the desert. Near eprof land — wonderful decorated saguaro near Casa Grande.

    Love seeing deciduous trees turn colors with palm trees in the background.

    Missed the Rancho tour — sold out.

  26. John Boehner, 1 creepy dude!

  27. dog's eye view

    Dickipedia (“a wiki of dicks”) on Mr. Boehner.

    “John Andrew Boehner (born November 17, 1949) is an American Republican politician, United States Representative from Ohio, tanorexia sufferer, House Minority Leader, Nancy Pelosi nemesis, and a dick.”

    http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=John_Boehner

    dog: You got to admit, he has very pretty eyes.

    And the golfing probably helped him in his career as a packaging/plastics salesman. He succeeded Buz Lukens who fell in a sex scandal with an underage prostitute.

  28. dog's eye view

    Continuing the Boehner research: The ladies of The View discussed dnd’s very point (11:15 a comment) and Barbara Walters did not mince words:

    From Politics Daily:

    “… the ladies of “The View” were not sympathetic to Boehner’s propensity for weepiness.

    “This guy has an emotional problem, that every time he talks about anything that is not ‘Raise taxes,’ he cries,” said Barbara Walters. “If you had seen Nancy Pelosi all these past years crying, what would you say?” she asked co-host Sherri Shepherd.

    “She’s weak,” Shepherd responded.

    “Well, good luck to him. I hope he’s a good speaker of the House, but he’s got a problem,” Walters concluded.

    Another co-host, Joy Behar, who makes no secret of her liberal leanings, called Boehner the “Weeper of the House” and said she only sees him cry about his own difficult circumstances.

    “He cries only when he talks about how sad his life was,” she said. “He had to sweep floors, he was a janitor, and yet he has very little empathy for people who are in that position now.”

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/12/13/barbara-walters-rips-john-boehner-this-guy-has-an-emotional-pr/

    Yeah, that’s the same Barbara Walters who found Sarah Palin a “fascinating person” 3 years in a row. Yeccch.

    But interesting she was so blunt on camera …

  29. dog's eye view

    Gadzooks re “Healthcare Law Ruled Unconstitutional.”

  30. I wouldn’t worry too much about that ruling dog. Two judges have ruled it
    constitutional, headed for the Supremes but no surprise there.

  31. dog's eye view

    Yup, sounds about right, Brian. Although who knows how the SC will rule.

    From judgepedia: “On the first day of Cuccinelli’s suit before the court, Judge Hudson said he would have a decision by the end of the year, but acknowledged, “As you well know, this is only one brief stop on the way to the United States Supreme Court.”

    http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Henry_Hudson

    Hudson’s a GWBush appointee; also presided over the Michael Vick dogfighting trial. As a former Virginian, I don’t remember him being overtly political. John Warner supported his nomination (as did George Allen). But Warner was no friend of the far right and took them on a few times.

    Scarier is Ken Cuccinelli, fierce rightwing Virginia attorney general. Taking time out from his crusade to subpoena climate change scientists.

    Just have to remember that Virginia gave us Thomas Jefferson and Arthur Ashe and leave it at that.

  32. dog's eye view

    Yeah, she’s on the cover of Time magazine this week. Will not read it. (Never do read Time, honestly.)

    Reminds me how far Time has fallen. Loved that magazine in the 1960s and 70s.

  33. dog's eye view

    I truly think it’s corporate media capture and believing their own spin.

    I like Joe Klein, but name someone else at Time who tells it like it is.

    More like they’re worried about pissing off Tea Party patriots. Who under 40 has a subscription to Time?

  34. Dooty

    Richard Holbrooke has died.

  35. Gee I’m really sorry to hear that, he was really one of the good guys!

  36. And on the lighter side of the news:

    Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Mon, December 13, 2010 — 8:28 PM ET
    —–

    Michael Steele Seeks Another Term as Head of Republican Party

    Michael Steele announced Monday that he would seek a second
    term as head of the Republican National Committee, despite
    criticism about both his leadership and fund-raising
    abilities. His decision sets off a scramble for the position,
    with at least six top Republicans having taken steps to run
    for party chairman.

    Read More:
    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/13/steele-seeks-second-term-to-run-g-o-p/?emc=na

  37. Our first snow of the season, it was really nice getting to see Tucker romp around in it, snow is definitely his favorite weather. For a while I was concerned he’s never see another snow storm but alas he has! Even Ralphie caught Tucker’s mood and frolicked in the cold and he is not a dog that likes weather of any kind other than warm and balmy!

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