Should a Lame Duck Quack?

The latest outrage from the right is the legislation Congress is trying to pass before the 111th United States Congress adjourns.  They insist that it is wrong for anything to pass before the new Congress is sworn in.  Some of the legislation are minor things like approving the START Treaty to make it difficult for nuclear proliferation.

I’m trying to remember when there was this sort of major outrage during other lame duck sessions.  Sure there’s always squawking about it, but I can’t remember it to this level.

Perhaps those on the right who are upset about enacting controversial things during a lame duck session should set the Wayback Machine to December 19, 1998.  It was on that day that the lame duck Republican House impeached President Clinton.

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  1. dog's eye view

    Facts. What inconvenient things they be.

    Forgot the impeachment was a lame duck debacle.

  2. TempeBev

    Religion rules! Another war in Phoenix AZ. Another of the many reasons why I gave up the church. I actually had surgery in this hospital many years ago. I can’t think of why I care if this hospital is officially “Catholic” anymore.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-12-16-catholic-hospital-phoenix_N.htm

    • dnd

      Bev, perhaps they should rename that hospital from “St. Joseph’s” to “St. Jude’s.” For the non-Catholics, St. Jude was the patron saint of hopeless causes.

  3. dog's eye view

    From the story Bev posted:

    “Lisa Fullam, professor of moral theology at the Jesuit School of Theology at Santa Clara University, blogged at commonwealmagazine.org that the hospital ought to stand up to the bishop.

    “Why don’t they simply point out to Bishop Olmsted that, while under church law he can restrict who uses the appellation ‘Catholic,’ he does not have a copyright to the term under U.S. law? If the administrators at St. Joseph’s believe it to be a Catholic hospital, they should continue to use the name and let the canonical chips fall where they may. The bishop does not own Catholicism, in his diocese or elsewhere.”

    Ah , those Jesuit heretics. They think.

    The bishop has likely picked a fight he is not going to win.

    I gave up on the Catholic Church too. Guess healing the sick — especially sick women — takes a backseat to following religious doctrine imposed by men.

  4. TempeBev

    I love your last sentence, Dog. Yes, St Jude’s would be great but probably won’t change. Can’t wait to see what the decision is tomorrow.

  5. Dooty

    The “birther” LTC that questioned the order to deploy to Afganistan has been convicted and will likely receive jail time and dismissal from the Army. This is gonna cost him his retirement which if he lived long enough could be a couple of million dollars over a long enough period of time. “Like apples?”
    “Well, how you like them apples?”

  6. Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Fri, December 17, 2010 — 12:01 AM ET
    —–

    Congress Approves Tax Cut and Jobless Benefits Legislation

    WASHINGTON — Congress late Thursday night approved an $801
    billion package of tax cuts and $57 billion for extended
    unemployment insurance. The vote sealed the first major deal
    between President Obama and Congressional Republicans as
    Democrats put aside their objections and bowed to the
    realignment of power brought about by their crushing election
    losses.

    The bipartisan support for tax deal also underscored the
    urgency felt by the administration and by lawmakers in both
    parties to prop up the still-struggling economy and to
    prevent an across-the-board tax increased that was set to
    occur if the rates enacted under President George W. Bush had
    expired, as scheduled, at the end of the month.

  7. Love the “Way Back Machine” pic d!

  8. dog's eye view

    Bookmarked that one yesterday, dnd. Love Walter Shapiro.

  9. dog's eye view

    To make you smile: a 74 year old South Carolina man, Dennis Ferguson, sent California’s treasury a check for $10,000, to thank the state for providing retraining in 1964 when he was laid off from aircraft engineering. He retrained successfully in computers. California provided about $1,100 in aid over 4 months.

    “Anyone who is helped out when they are down ought to give something back, especially now that California has budget problems,” [Ferguson] told state officials.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-unemployment-check-20101217,0,4277215.story

    We need to hear more stories like this, and less shrieking from the Tea Partying and Medicare-collecting set.

    • dnd

      Sarah Palin on START:

      The proposed New START agreement should be evaluated by the only criteria that matters for a treaty: Is it in America’s interest? I am convinced this treaty is not. It should not be rammed through in the lame duck session using behind the scenes deal-making reminiscent of the tactics used in the health care debate.

      http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/255568/senate-republicans-vote-no-new-start-sarah-palin

      Every smart Republican foreign policy analyst believes in the ratification of START. If anybody believes that Palin knows anything whatsoever about the treaty, they probably think she can see Russia from her back porch. There is seriously something wrong with the wacko right and those who promote them.

  10. Folks I’m all a titer, I got all my benefits docs emailed to me today, I can’t tell you how thrilling the prospect of having private insurance again is!

  11. TempeBev

    If you haven’t seen the high tech birth of Christ, check this out:

    PS congrat, Brian.

  12. Anyone else been watching the American Masters series on Dylan, it’s amazingly good!

  13. Dooty

    Brian,
    was not on here. If it is the Martin Scorsese, “No Direction Home” doc it it very good. I have seen both parts of this movie. Have your read Dylan’s book? It was pretty dense and hard for me to get into at first but I slogged thru and it opened up and I enjoyed it.

  14. Yes doots the Scorsese piece, not I haven’t read the book.

  15. Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Sat, December 18, 2010 — 11:32 AM ET
    —–

    Dream Act Bill for Illegal Immigrant Students Fails on Senate Vote, 55-41

    The Dream Act, a bill to grant legal status to hundreds of
    thousands of illegal immigrant students, fell 5 votes short
    of being brought to the Senate floor for debate.

    • dnd

      Do those that voted against the Dream Act have a clue about the largest and most rapidly growing minority in America? Regardless of what one thinks of the bill, bad move politically.

      Wasn’t it the right’s hero, Ronald Reagan, who granted blanket amnesty to illegals? Without the condition of going to college or serving in the military?

  16. Dooty

    Procedural vote to overturn DADT passes in the Senate. Paves the way to allow Gays and Lesbians to serve openly in the US military.

  17. “As Barry Goldwater said, ‘You don’t have to be straight to shoot straight,'” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., referring to the late GOP senator from Arizona.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/18/dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal_5_n_798636.html

    Gee that quote gets used a lot don’t you think d?

    🙂

    • dnd

      ‘Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos has said he thinks lifting the ban during wartime could cost lives. “I don’t want to lose any Marines to the distraction,”‘

      Um, just what kind of “distraction” is he referring to? I’m guessing that during a firefight one is not easily distracted.

  18. Final vote for Don’t Ask…. scheduled for 3:00 Eastern

  19. Dooty

    so, there you are. Done deal. Now Tony39 can rest easy. That has been a hot button for him for 2 years.

  20. TempeBev

    Hooray – it’s over. Now if they would only take care of the 9/11 first responders.

    • dnd

      Yeah Bev, those 9/11 responders need help. Jon Stewart had a great segment on that. Those who are stalling should be ashamed.
      And we need START too.

      Looks like this lame duck is quackin’!

  21. TempeBev

    Saw Stewart yesterday. First time I’ve ever seen him so emotionally involved and expressing such strong feelings about the 9/11 responders. Not sure the repubs understand the power of Jon!

    Shepherd Smith of Fox said he saw Stewart’s show and was moved to do something. He’s getting criticism for not naming who is holding up the process. Gee you do think it has something to do with who he works for?

    Perhaps this is S. S’s fond farewell to Fox news or Fox News’s pinkslip for S.S. He could do so much better.

    • dnd

      Bev,
      Shep Smith has been thumbing his nose at the Fox propaganda for a while. I think they know that if they fire him (and they may) he’s got a job at CNN or MSNBC.

  22. dog's eye view

    I am wondering if Marine Commandant Amos is angling for a job at Fox.

    They’ve already got one Marine, Oliver North, who cashiered out at colonel.

  23. TempeBev

    McGrumps: ” Today is a sad day.” That’s how I felt when the Democratic Senatorial candidate lost the election in November to him.

  24. This is something I posted on another blog in regards to the McCain and some other repugs threatening to block START because they have their nickers in bunch of Don’t Ask being repealed:

    John McCain is going to go down in history as the greatest sore looser of all times. There are only two things that drive the senior senator from AZ, his desire to stay in office and his burning jealousy of the president for having beaten him. Sadly for Mr. McCain (and the American people) the lessons of both Barry Goldwater and Teddy Kennedy have been lost on him. Any hopes he had of being considered one of the greats of American politics have been tossed aside by a petty vindictiveness not often put on such public display. As of late all the man has done is demonstrate that he is not fit for high office and the American people chose wisely in not electing him president.

  25. Dooty

    Hey Dog,
    batten down the hatches as a very large storm is getting ready to lam blast California. Stay dry and safe.

  26. Dooty

    oh and Dog,
    did you happen to participate in the “Speedo Run” in Santa Monica yesterday? if so, we need pictures.

    • dnd

      The weather’s going to be really rotten for the Broncos/Raiders game today in Oakland. Perfect for Tim Tebow’s first start. Is this the storm that’s moving into SoCal?

      • dnd

        John Kerry and Richard Lugar on This Week. What a pleasant surprise to see a couple of reasonable Senators instead of the usual blow-hards.

  27. Dooty

    Dnd,

    I think so re: the SoCal rain storm. I think it affects all of California. Gonna be low 60’s here today with sunshine. Cowboys and Deadskins play indoors at Jerry World.

  28. TempeBev

    Brian, your thoughts on McC were direct and to the point. You stated it beautifully. I agree 100%. It’s too bad. He is now an official embarrassment to
    himself and the state that re-elected him. Oh well, currently the state is full of idiots holding national and state office.

  29. dog's eye view

    Happy Christmas Week to all.

    And yeah, it’s pouring steadily in SoCal. Biggest storm expected Wednesday and then clearing. I am loving the rain and the palm trees.

    Speedo race, hmmm? Nada.

    Thinking on seeing “The King’s Speech” soon. Colin Firth was tremendous in “A Single Man” — did any of you see it? Rent it if not.

    What are backchannelers doing for the holidays?

    The Vegas trip is safe, since the good people of Nevada did the right thing and refudiated Sharon Angle.

    Plus, did you see that John Ensign voted for DADT? Nice surprise there.

  30. dog's eye view

    People who follow rock music more carefully than I do revered Captain Beefheart, who died this week in Trinidad, California. Tiny fog-shrouded coastal town close to the Oregon border; magical place.

    Doots: did you ever see him play or follow his career? dnd?

    http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-captain-beefheart-20101218,0,232335.story

  31. The Kings Speech is definitely on my holiday viewing list.

  32. Dooty

    D,

    never saw Beefheart play or follow his career. I knew about him of course but I was not a Zappa kinda guy and I always related him with Zappa.

    He died of MS I think I read.

  33. dog's eye view

    NYT obit for Captain Beefheart. Ry Cooder worked with him in 1967.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/18/arts/music/18beefheart.html?ref=obituaries&pagewanted=all

  34. dog's eye view

    I would have bet money you saw him, Doots. You are the go to for many things musical.

    Got to check in on offline life. Cheers.

    PS: good comment on McCain, as Bev noted.

    • dnd

      It’s a balmy 50 here, though it is snowing like mad in the mountains. They expect 2-4′ today. I-70 backed up for miles near the Eisenhower tunnel due to all the accidents.

  35. Dooty

    around 60F here so far today. pretty typical week of Christmas for us.

  36. Dooty

    now it is 77F at 2:20PM cst but a little windy. Ahhhhh!

  37. You mean my gift is going to be late again d?

  38. Tea Party Nation Founder: Let’s Get Rid Of The ‘Socialist’ Methodist Church

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/tea_party_nation_founder_lets_get_rid_of_the_socia.php?ref=fpb

    First they came for the Methodists, then they came for…..

  39. Dooty

    yeah, those wacky Teapartiers.

  40. You gotta wonder what’s going to happen when Shep’s contract is up for renewal.

    • dnd

      I’m guessing Shep Smith’s agent has already got offers from CNN and MSNBC.

      Don Imus (a big Shep Smith fan) grills John Thune on 9/11 healthcare (the good stuff starts around the 2:30 mark)

      I keep hearing the term “jam” from all of the Republicans when referring passing bills during the lame duck. This has Frank Luntz’s fingerprints all over it. It’s pretty clear that since they’ve had plenty of time to look at these bills, what they really mean is not “jam” this bills through, as if they haven’t had a time to look at or debate them, what they mean is that they don’t want the President to get the credit and they want to take all the credit in the next Congress. Pretty transparent.

  41. Did he ever get a lot of love from the black community? He’s playing to base big time, not to mention he’s a true believer.

  42. South Carolinians Celebrate 150th Anniversary Of Secession

    Thomas Hiter, of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, appeared on Hardball last night, along with Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson. Hiter defended the event, called the state’s secession an “act of immense political courage” and went so far as to claim the Civil War didn’t start over slavery.

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/south_carolianians_host_secessionist_ball.php

  43. The fact of the matter is, as the president well knows, if it doesn’t get done now it will never get done. For the next two years the house will be a zoo with the establishment repugs battling it out with the teabaggers. Fun to watch but very little will get done.

  44. Dooty

    I haven’t seen Imus since he left MSNBC but man he is looking old.

  45. When did he stop dyeing his hair?

  46. Dooty

    I am so tired of these asshat Repubs claiming we need to listen to the troops and the ranking members of the armed forces about DADT. The goddamned military is under civilian control and troops shape up and follow the goddamned orders or get the fuck out.

  47. Nothing more than rationalizing your homophobia doots.

  48. TempeBev

    Speaking of old, which I get the impression most of us are either climbing or already over the hill, I received this email which I think applies to many of us who text and use abbreviations on the blog and to others. My contribution for the yuk of the day. If you’ve seen it, now I know what you’re talking about.

    Texting for Seniors
    Since more and more Older People are texting and tweeting, there appears to be a need for a STC Senior Texting Code).
    ATD: At The Doctor’s
    BFF: Best Friend Farted
    BTW: Bring The Wheelchair
    BYOT: Bring Your Own Teeth
    CBM: Covered By Medicare
    CUATSC: See You At The Senior Center
    DWI: Driving While Incontinent
    FWBB: Friend With Beta Blockers
    FWIW: Forgot Where I Was
    FYI: Found Your Insulin
    GGPBL: Gotta Go, Pacemaker Battery Low!
    GHA: Got Heartburn Again
    HGBM: Had Good Bowel Movement
    IMHO: Is My Hearing-Aid On?
    LMDO: Laughing My Dentures Out
    LOL: Living On Lipitor
    LWO: Lawrence Welk’s On
    OMMR: On My Massage Recliner
    OMSG: Oh My! Sorry, Gas.
    ROFL… CGU: Rolling On The Floor Laughing… And Can’t Get Up
    SGGP: Sorry, Gotta Go Poop
    TTYL: Talk To You Louder
    WAITT: Who Am I Talking To?
    WTFA: Wet The Furniture Again
    WTP: Where’s The Prunes?
    WWNO: Walker Wheels Need Oil

    Yes, there are serious things going on, but we all need to laugh.

    • dnd

      The FCC’s Democrats approved new “network neutrality” rules for the Internet today on a 3-2 party-line vote. The regulations, which have sparked considerable controversy in Washington and nationwide, are designed to ensure that the Internet is not dominated by major telecommunications and cable companies.

      http://nationaljournal.com/net-neutrality-approved-by-fcc-20101221

      Looks like we’re safe for now.

      Since a lot of voice traffic is now VoIP, it makes you wonder if you had to call 911 if your call would be delayed for someone downloading a movie from Comcast.

  49. Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Tue, December 21, 2010 — 3:36 PM ET
    —–

    Arms Treaty Clears Key Hurdle in Senate on 67-28 Vote

    The Senate voted 67 to 28 on Tuesday to advance a new arms
    control treaty that would pare back American and Russian
    nuclear arsenals, reaching the two-thirds margin needed for
    approval despite a concerted Republican effort to block
    ratification.

    Eleven Republicans joined every Democrat present to support
    the treaty, known as New Start, which now heads to a
    seemingly certain final vote on Wednesday, as the Senate
    wraps up business before heading out of town. Voting against
    the treaty were 28 Republicans who argued that it could hurt
    national security.

    “Today’s bipartisan vote clears a significant hurdle in the
    Senate,” said Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, the
    Democratic chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee who
    led the floor fight. “We are on the brink of writing the next
    chapter in the 40-year history of wrestling with the threat
    of nuclear weapons.”

    Read More:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/world/europe/22start.html?emc=na

    • dnd

      ‘”When it’s all going to be said and done, Harry Reid has eaten our lunch,” Graham said’

      What he meant to say was: “That meanie former boxer beat us up and stole our lunch money. True, we frame ourselves as bullies, but like all bullies, at the core we’re cowards. So when threatened, we gave Reid our lunch money.”

      Harry Reid has a mild demeanor, but what the public doesn’t see is that he can kick ass and take names.

  50. dog's eye view

    I don’t understand Lindsey Graham a lot of the time. He’s unquestionably the smart senator from SC, and more forward thinking than a lot of his GOP colleagues. He does some good stuff and then crap like this too.

    Complaining to Fox News Radio station WTMA.

    Way Too Much Asshattery

  51. Lindsey is decidedly bi-polar.

  52. dog's eye view

    This lame duck isn’t quacking.

    It’s roaring.

  53. Dooty

    there are some weird people over on the list we used to inhabit. They bitched because DADT was not repealed yet and when it is they bitch because of the process and how it was done. I don’t get it.

    • dnd

      No Doots, you get it. They don’t get it.
      Could it be they just like to bitch? 😉

      • dnd

        I thought there were some good points in the prez’s speech at the signing ceremony:
        * that he’d been working with the military and staff on this since he was sworn into office
        * the female solder who hugged him on the rope line when he visited Afghanastan and asked him to get it done.
        * inviting those who’d been discharged because of DADT to re-enlist

  54. Yes Doots noticed that myself, in fact d and I were discussing that last night on the phone, being PUMA doesn’t require one to be rational!

  55. dog's eye view

    Oh, I hope that those who have been discharged do get to re-enlist or come back to their commissions. Fairness demands it, and we lost a lot of good soldiers and sailors and skills.

    Haven’t seen any news. Just listening to the rain.

  56. Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Wed, December 22, 2010 — 1:26 PM ET
    —–

    Deal for 9/11 Health Bill Reached in Senate

    A deal has been reached in the Senate to approve a bill that
    covers the cost of medical care for rescue workers and other
    individuals who became sick after breathing in toxic fumes,
    dust and smoke at the site of the 2001 attacks on the the
    World Trade Center.

    The action was a dramatic turn of events for a bill that
    stalled in the upper chamber. Only 12 days ago, Senate
    Republicans blocked the bill from coming to the floor for a
    vote after raising concerns about its $7.4 billion cost.

    But Republicans eventually backed down after facing a barrage
    of criticism — not just from Democrats but also from
    traditional Republican allies, including former New York City
    Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and conservative news outlets like
    Fox News.

  57. dog's eye view

    Maybe the next two years are going to be fun to watch for good reasons.

    Very productive lame duck session.

  58. dog's eye view

    And the Senate passes the Arms Control Treaty.

    I wish Reid would keep them all hostage to legislating through the New Year.

    What are they doing that’s more important?

    Bring up funding the healthcare act implementation: I hear that got stripped out.

    Go after the banksters. That would make everyone’s holiday merrier. (Except the banksters. They can cry into their Cristal, unless that’s declasse now.)

  59. dog's eye view

    Obama to hold news conference at 4:15 Eastern.

  60. dog's eye view

    dog’s monologue continues. (Rain has stopped, though.)

    Comment by reader Martin Gale (tee hee) on Kevin Drum’s excellent blog on the Lindsey Graham quote we discussed above. Makes a lot of sense to me.

    Martin Gale: “I think this is in part Graham giving cover to the Dems for their ineffectualness. Graham himself described how he used to play this game with the late Ted Kennedy:

    “According to Graham, Kennedy claimed that, while working behind the scenes to garner support from fellow senators across the aisle, he would publicly lambaste the same Republicans for one reason or another, so that back home they would not be tarred as bedfellows of the liberal icon.

    A similar element of kabuki theater attends Graham’s relationship with the Obama administration. “The president has said very nice things about me off the record to other reporters,” Graham recently told me, and a senior administration official confirmed that the White House places particularly high value on Graham.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07

    BTW, the entire article is interesting as a glimpse into how one of the big political players operates, and also, Graham states quite plainly that it’s the Republicans who refuse to work with Obama, not vice versa as conventional wisdom, and wingnut pundits (to the extent that isn’t an identity relationship) are now saying. The article was published all the way back in July of 2010. Talk about memory holes.”

    http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/12/quote-day-skinning-duck

    dog: there may be some freedom for Graham in knowing he is going to get pilloried and primaried by the hard right in South Carolina in whatever he does. The SC GOP is ugly personified. Maybe he will work harder to get legislation he finds useful through.

    Can you imagine what some of the Republicans who got taken out by the teatards are saying among each other in private?

  61. dog's eye view

    Will make you tear up.

    Dan Choi gets his ring back.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_12/027218.php

  62. Maybe the prez’s best press conference, was very interesting to hear his statements on immigration reform and same sex marriage.

    • dnd

      Time for a football analogy. Near the end of the fourth quarter of the 1987 AFC Championship game the Denver Broncos were losing to the Cleveland Browns. With less than six minutes to go, the Broncos were pinned on the Browns two yard line. Broncos offensive guard Keith Bishop said of the Browns: “We got ’em right where we want ’em.” This began what became known as “The Drive.” In the next five minutes Broncos quarterback John Elway lead his team 98 yards to tie the game. The Broncos won in overtime.

      In this lame duck session, Harry Reid is Keith Bishop and President Obama is John Elway.

      Ok, that’s probably a really bad analogy, but I can’t help remembering “The Drive” as the Broncos have been having such a lousy season. 😉

  63. Today is a day that is to be savored!

  64. *wonders if there is an expiration date on this thread*

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