Tax the Poor!

Bev sends along Arizona’s proposal to charge a $50 fee on Medicaid recipients who are either poor or obese.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42383307

If I’m not mistaken, isn’t this the same crowd who complains about the “nanny state” trying to tell us how to live our lives?

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  1. TempeBev

    I’ve lived in AZ all my life and don’t know where else I would want to live even though things are crazy. I consider myself to be very fortunate to be retired, lived in the same house for 42 years, not have kids in school, have good insurance and a savings account. Most other places seem to have the same type of problems.

  2. dnd

    On State of the Union this morning Candy Crowley asked Sens Warner and Cornyn what it was going to be necessary for both sides to avoid a government shutdown. But instead of saying “shutdown” she said “shakedown” before she caught herself. I think calling it a “shakedown” is pretty accurate.

  3. dog hussein dog

    From the MSNBC article by bioethicist Art Caplan:

    “Gov. Jan Brewer has now proposed levying a $50 fee on state Medicaid recipients who are obese and who don’t follow a doctor-supervised slimming regimen. She also wants to charge those who smoke.

    …. [the Arizona Medicaid spokeswoman] added that the proposal is a way to reward good behavior and raise awareness that certain conditions, including obesity, raise costs throughout the state Medicaid system.”

    Very honestly, I don’t have a problem with this approach, with some caveats:

    1) it’s hypocritical if you apply it only to the poor who rely on Medicaid. Obviously, no one wants to see Grampa with lung cancer sucking on a cigarette when he’s out of his Medicare-covered oxygen tent.

    However, Medicaid is a federally funded, state-administered program, so you get politicians experimenting with other people’s money on — let’s face it — other people. Who are poor.

    It’s unethical and immoral and even unChristian to impose this on the population least likely to be able to afford the $50 surcharge (they’ve been found eligible for Medicaid, fools) but

    2) Maybe Medicaid should PAY the poor $50/month for working conscientiously at a doctor-supervised weight loss and/or smoking cessation plan. Carrot and stick approach to get people to eat or suck on more carrots and other healthful stuff. If successful, the monthly $50 is a drop in the bucket.

    3) Caplan is utterly facetious in his last paragraphs when he equates jet-skiing and working in the construction industry with obesity and smoking. His “slippery slope” argument is bullshit, because you have to start somewhere.

    Also, weird exception to the fat fee, from underlying AP story:

    “The fee would apply only to certain childless adults.”

    Excuse me? You’re treating those who have children differently from those who don’t? Preferred class there. If you don’t want to take $50 out of the family budget and hurt child nutrition, don’t do it this way.

    Besides, seeing Mom or Dad succeed at something that’s hard but good for them — and eating better — is a great lesson for a family to see.

    I think Michelle Obama is brilliant to work on nutrition/fitness as her issue.

    • dnd

      It was in the low 80’s here yesterday when the Rockies beat the Dbacks. Today it’s in the 30’s and the game is postponed because of rain and snow. Springtime in the Rockies!

  4. Dooty

    Your 2010 American League Champion Texas Rangers sweep the Boston Red Soxs today. The Rangers hit 11 home runs in this series. Today’s score 5-1.

  5. Brian —

    Today, we are filing papers to launch our 2012 campaign.

    We’re doing this now because the politics we believe in does not start with expensive TV ads or extravaganzas, but with you — with people organizing block-by-block, talking to neighbors, co-workers, and friends. And that kind of campaign takes time to build.

    So even though I’m focused on the job you elected me to do, and the race may not reach full speed for a year or more, the work of laying the foundation for our campaign must start today.

    We’ve always known that lasting change wouldn’t come quickly or easily. It never does. But as my administration and folks across the country fight to protect the progress we’ve made — and make more — we also need to begin mobilizing for 2012, long before the time comes for me to begin campaigning in earnest.

    As we take this step, I’d like to share a video that features some folks like you who are helping to lead the way on this journey. Please take a moment to watch:

    http://www.barackobama.com/are-you-in?source=20110404_bo_em&keycode=a8d6cb62a0af1d5cd40d6b38d945f21bb3b4162611ea02dfc26091ffb0e0c908&email=bgarens%40gmail.com&zip=10040

    In the coming days, supporters like you will begin forging a new organization that we’ll build together in cities and towns across the country. And I’ll need you to help shape our plan as we create a campaign that’s farther reaching, more focused, and more innovative than anything we’ve built before.

    We’ll start by doing something unprecedented: coordinating millions of one-on-one conversations between supporters across every single state, reconnecting old friends, inspiring new ones to join the cause, and readying ourselves for next year’s fight.

    This will be my final campaign, at least as a candidate. But the cause of making a lasting difference for our families, our communities, and our country has never been about one person. And it will succeed only if we work together.

    There will be much more to come as the race unfolds. Today, simply let us know you’re in to help us begin, and then spread the word:

    http://my.barackobama.com/2012

    Thank you,

    Barack

  6. I am so disgusted by all the politics today I could scream.
    Other than that I’d like to say “hi” to those of you I have not seen for awhile. I am taking a break from Facebook, because I think FB is the DEVIL. I will be reading the BC during the upcoming election. You all posts such interesting ideas, comments and links. But I am telling you, the politics are stressing me out. And I cant go there too much because I get all negative and pissed off. It makes UB a drag to be around. 🙂

    Hope everyone is well and happy. Peace.

    • dnd

      “I am so disgusted by all the politics today I could scream.”

      Sounds like a great thread post, hint, hint. 😉

  7. TempeBev

    UB – glad you visit once in a while. FB is annoying – I really don’t care when people take a shit or their kids fall asleep. I look at it but rarely write anything. Good decision on your part. I agree with the disgust about politics. You just said it politely. Please visit more often and say “hi.”

  8. Dnd,
    maybe, maybe (no comittment)……..but don’t be surprised if it’s peppered with f-bombs, or if it’s just one big f-bomb.

    Bev,
    I hope to stop in more often. 🙂 thanks. re FB: When the tsunami hit…one of my FB friends was whining about wanting someone to bring her a Popsicle for her sore throat – that pushed me over the edge. Just thinking about that, still makes me shake my head.

  9. dog hussein dog

    Glad to see Tim Kaine is running for the Senate in Virginia.

    Could be a very competitive race. Particularly with Obama’s coattails.

    And some serious Gov. McDonnell/crazy ass AG Cucinnelli remorse.

    Could be good.

  10. dog hussein dog

    Good evening.

    Nicholas Kristof: Why Pay Congress (in event of government shutdown)?

    “The Republican plan to address debt right now, in an economic trough, echoes the horrendous mistake Japan made in the mid-1990s just as it was emerging from its own deep recession. Japan collapsed right back into what became its “lost decade” and now realizes that it should have nurtured a recovery before addressing its debt problem.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/07/opinion/07kristof.html?ref=opinion

    It’s just politics for the Republicans.

    If the shutdown occurs, I hope we are able to nail GOP tails to the wall.

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